The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

A few takeaways from that former CBC host's story.

Her home almost seems like a "safe space" (sic) that is off limits to seemingly innocuous people who happen to be non-indigenous if there is the off chance she might read something suspicious or disagreeable into their words or behaviour.

She claims that certain people have the right and feel empowered to speak freely while other people (read = indigenous) can't. I'd disagree that evidence on the ground in public or in the media these days suggests in any way that indigenous people cannot speak their minds freely and are fearful of doing so.

She makes interpretations and passes judgement on the intentions of the person who came to her home (seemingly) out of good faith, presumably because of that person's "race".

The comparison to the Colten Boushie case is totally absurd.

Not every job is conducive to playing the activist's role. Employment behind the microphone of a public broadcaster that is supposed to represent the wide range of opinions out there is not a place where you are free to share any opinion you want and especially not have your opinions dominate the entire space. There are media outlets where you can do that, but the CBC is not or at least should not be one of them.

You did much better than me. I struggled to understand what she was trying to say but couldn't work my way out of all the verbiage. Still not sure what the issue was supposed to be.

[SignalHillHiker]

Some NLers aren't handling change well, and the progressives are nearing the end of their rope.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

You’re wrong. Just face it without the crap caveat to keep justifying your ego attachment to denying racial bias.

The studies showing no racial bias in police use of force in the US are easy to find:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550618775108

I'm totally in agreement that US police use too much force. Americans have had a shite-load of guns since the 1950s, but police militarization and brutality against US citizens have really only ramped up in the last two decades, concurrent with drops in crime rates.

I don't know the explanation for this.

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Yeah it's a really good book.

Perhaps you should read it before commenting so flippantly.

Flippant responses, denial, and ignorance while common coping mechanisms will never resolve these issues. The mob you perceive may get angrier and louder, making even less sense to you. That is because you chose not to listen.

There is a part of me that reacted the way Rousseau does, but I chose not to prioritize my discomfort. I listened even when I heard things I didn't want to hear. I was curious. The truth of those ideas stuck to me and I could not shake them. I struggled against it but in the end my opinion evolved and is still evolving.

You sound like a religious convert. This white guilt stuff is becoming very cult-like.

White Fragility is like Mao's Little Red Book of our times.

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by rousseau

I mean, if white people are innately racist (original sin being a foundational Christian tenet), then there's no way of moving forward without repentance and spiritual rebirth. Problem is, the people who need to repent and be reborn are all dead.

I have nothing to repent for and I'm not religious.

BLM is your new religion.

Repent now, sinner.

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by rousseau

An attack of germs, mostly.

The Europeans conquered the Americas just like other peoples have been conquered since time immemorial. It's just that the Europeans did it on a greater scale and were more successful due to their superior weaponry and technology.

The racist disdain which the Europeans viewed the less advanced peoples they conquered was no different than the disdain that a victorious tribe or ethnic grouping would feel toward those they vanquished.

I keep going on this. Why? The SJW mantra is that we can't move forward without repenting of the original sin of whiteness. I disagree, and feel it's plainly obvious that we only move forward by acknowledging our common humanity. That was the modus operandi in the 1960s. Seems it got lost somehow.

"acknowledging our common humanity"?????

That sounds awfully close to... All Lives Matter.

Get him!!!

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

The hubris of a White man in Ontario to lecture on how Black Americans should perceive their own experiences, to say that it’s good enough now so stop complaining, is just so far beyond my own understanding. You’re a complete waste of energy at this point.

Engage with the statistics and arguments rather than attacking the person.

If it makes you feel better, I've lived most of my adult life in the US as a person of color with darker skin than most African Americans and I think he makes an excellent point.

So now maybe you can allow yourself to actually engage with his argument? Because for you, it's not the substance of the argument but the person who makes it.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

"acknowledging our common humanity"?????

That sounds awfully close to... All Lives Matter.

Get him!!!

It's quite liberating being a racist and a Trump supporter. You can say anything!

Years ago I had a black girlfriend. We never talked about race at all, only music and movies. Her two roommates were gay. One of them hit on me at a bar before he knew we were going out, and cursed his bad luck when she told him. I was flattered. We eventually drifted apart because I wasn't comfortable with her karaoke choices.

True story. La-dee-dah and kumbaya!

[Architype]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Some NLers aren't handling change well, and the progressives are nearing the end of their rope.

The Irish slave posts I saw were proven to be aboot Italian miners in Belgium. White slavery existed, the Romans used their enemy prisoners, etc. as slaves, humans were a major natural resource. I think of slavery as a separate thing from racism, the one is not dependent upon the other. I'm also beginning to feel that "racist" is a new "R" word that should not be used, if it is used as an insult rather than a descriptor.

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

I think Trump will win a second term: the stock market is rising.

I'm fine with having a revolution. Scale back the police, let's have a war, fire off some cannons. I predict the same old elitists will be back in power within a decade of it happening.

The bulk of the elites never really change for the most part, even through revolutions and upheavals like in the late Roman Empire or China under Mao. The Son Also Rises by Gregory Clark is a great book that examines this.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Architype

The Irish slave posts I saw were proven to be aboot Italian miners in Belgium. White slavery existed, the Romans used their enemy prisoners, etc. as slaves, humans were a major natural resource. I think of slavery as a separate thing from racism, the one is not dependent upon the other. I'm also beginning to feel that "racist" is a new "R" word that should not be used, if it is used as an insult rather than a descriptor.

I agree that the slavery discussion is mostly distracting when the focus is on present-day issues like police brutality. Part of why it comes up is the reparations debate in the United States.

Indentured servitude existed well into the 19th century in Canada and lasted much longer all around the world (I'd guess it's still common in lots of countries). Just as you can find old newspaper ads for escaped black slaves, you will find newspaper ads placed by the masters of white girls who might have only been 15 or 16 and agreed to indentured servitude because they were starving. There was also debtors' prison in the 19th century, and children were sometimes forced to work to pay off debts of parents.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

It's quite liberating being a racist and a Trump supporter. You can say anything!

Years ago I had a black girlfriend. We never talked about race at all, only music and movies. Her two roommates were gay. One of them hit on me at a bar before he knew we were going out, and cursed his bad luck when she told him. I was flattered. We eventually drifted apart because I wasn't comfortable with her karaoke choices.

True story. La-dee-dah and kumbaya!

A black girlfriend and you knew gay people? Omg.

Irrefutable proof.

It’s the classic “but I have black friends so I can’t be racist” argument that anyone with even a moderate understanding of race knows is a smokescreen for denial these days.

Not talking about race with someone also does not mean you’re not racist.

But then again, all of these concepts are above your head. Good luck with the future.

[Architype]

Originally Posted by someone123

I agree that the slavery discussion is mostly distracting when the focus is on present-day issues like police brutality. Part of why it comes up is the reparations debate in the United States.

I think gay people should also be paid reparations, for years, even centuries, of systemic abuse.

Originally Posted by someone123

Indentured servitude existed well into the 19th century in Canada and lasted much longer all around the world (I'd guess it's still common in lots of countries). Just as you can find old newspaper ads for escaped black slaves, you will find newspaper ads placed by the masters of white girls who might have only been 15 or 16 and agreed to indentured servitude because they were starving. There was also debtors' prison in the 19th century, and children were sometimes forced to work to pay off debts of parents.

It's very likely that some of my ancestors, the first to come across to NA in the 1700s, were indentured servants, but I don't think it is common in Canada. Should I get reparations too?

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by Architype

The Irish slave posts I saw were proven to be aboot...

It's hurtful and triggering when you sneak in these sarcastic jibes at hoser English.

[Architype]

Originally Posted by JHikka

If you actually think BLM is similar to Nazis I truly don't have any words for you.


Complete destruction? No.
Restructuring of the cultural habits that western society is based upon? Yes.

Between references to Nazis and Jordan Peterson videos i'm pretty safe in saying that this thread has jumped the shark in its relevancy.


He won't. In June 2016 he was six points down on Clinton with 20% undecided. He's currently nine points down on Biden with 8% undecided. Biden is potentially trending towards the largest Democratic win in 60 years. Of course, that's to assume there won't be massive voter suppression and voter fraud in November, which there almost certainly will be.

I think there are many misleading ideas in the arguments being used. I think the repercussions of present movements serve to obfuscate and deflect from many other underlying discrepancies in our society. The real disparities are class based rather than race based. On the other hand, if western society is somehow destroyed, it can also mean the ruination of the one percent. So, it is in the interest of everyone to find workable productive solutions that will produce real results and not just idealistic feel-good results.

[Architype]

Originally Posted by rousseau

It's hurtful and triggering when you sneak in these sarcastic jibes at hoser English.

[Dengler Avenue]

https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/hate-crime-...g-in-ontario-s-waterloo-region-1.4997835

The name of the author though...

[Pavlov]

For what its worth, I like Mayor Tory's proposed response to current protests. Seems generally reasonable and appropriate.

[LakeLocker]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

It’s almost as if you don’t read the news.

This article is good at explaining police bias in the US:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

>Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods4 (see ‘Answering the call’). Hoekstra wonders whether the factors that contribute to an officer using excessive force might be predicted in a similar way to how US Major League Baseball teams use sophisticated statistical models to predict whether a player has the potential to be a future all-star.


Hilarious because you left out this little gem.

You're citing stats from 2 cities.

That 2 million 911 calls sound really "official" but if this is Omaha it means absolutely nothing.

[LakeLocker]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

This is not surprising. Racism is everywhere, and inside all of us. That’s why it’s systemic and why we all need to view ourselves and others through an anti-racist lens.

Humans are full of bias if you spend enough time chasing after statistical noise you can find out this whole planet revolves around the smell of ones breath.

This racialism is a cult, "systemic" is turning into some bizarre form of original sin.

We must repent repent to the racial order of the universe if not we'll be living in "systemic" racism.


The reality is systemic is the word to use when you have no actual evidence of racism but want to attribute small statistical differences to some cause.

Its a guilt complex value system revolving around people who are upset that evil still exists. They suffer from a deep religious void and are too proud to admit to it. So they turn to people creating that void(liberal arts majors) to fill that void, because people using words like "systemic" have some "scientific" credibility in our society.