The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread

[kwoldtimer]

It's spreading - Nestle has announced that it will be re-naming its "Red Skins" and "Chicos" candies (Australia) and it's "Beso de Negra" (Kiss of the Black Woman) cookies (Colombia) for something more in step with the times.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

I’m looking forward to the day that master-manager Lio gets sued for what he tolerates in the workplace.

Any idea what got him suspended from SSP?

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Any idea what got him suspended from SSP?

I hadn’t noticed.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

It's spreading - Nestle has announced that it will be re-naming its "Red Skins" and "Chicos" candies (Australia) and it's "Beso de Negra" (Kiss of the Black Woman) cookies (Colombia) for something more in step with the times.

Yes, the force behind these changes shows no sign of stopping, at least from what I see in my own social media world.

[savevp]

Originally Posted by rousseau

But this is confusing: is she inadvertently suggesting that Colten Boushie's lack of "privilege" to go to someone's home left him with no other recourse than to get drunk with friends and drive around with a shotgun attempting to steal vehicles from farms?

I'm also having a real issue understanding the invocation of Colton Boushie and of privilege altogether. Same applies to the countless CBC Radio interviewees and their crocodile tears every time some passing remark is construed as 'violence.'

In the CBC article linked, you'll see they're now instituting an affirmative action policy for equity hires, but how are they going to tackle 'microaggressions' when anything and everything said or not said now constitutes a potential act of violence? It's crocodile tears; I find it difficult to imagine how a radio host who should be grappling with differing viewpoints and real issues every day is unable to even speak when their flower-bearing colleague inadvertently makes a possibly racist remark with no ill intent.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Any idea what got him suspended from SSP?

He suggested another user harm themselves.

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

It's spreading - Nestle has announced that it will be re-naming its "Red Skins" and "Chicos" candies (Australia) and it's "Beso de Negra" (Kiss of the Black Woman) cookies (Colombia) for something more in step with the times.

Good.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Some polling from Narrative:





https://narrativeresearch.ca/canadians-a...that-there-is-systemic-racism-in-canada/

Funny how some SSPers assumed they were in the majority on these issues.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Funny how some SSPers assumed they were in the majority on these issues.

I am in the 75+% in Quebec who agrees with the protests!

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

The numbers show that Black American lives, aka Main Street in the analogy, are not in danger from the police. Rather, those at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale are in danger from other black Americans.

This has been discussed many times in popular media. I love how your talking points fit right in at a Trump rally.

In the first place, being concerned over the shooting of unarmed black men hardly precludes being concerned over violence within the African-American community. Giuliani and others suggest a dichotomy where none exists.

In the second place, they ignore the obvious: When black people commit crimes against black people, they face prosecution, but when police officers (or certain neighborhood watchmen) commit crimes against black people, they face getting off with little if any punishment.

In the third place, what exactly is “black on black” crime?

Do black people kill one another? Sure they do. Ninety percent of black murder victims are killed by black assailants.

But guess what? White people kill one another, too. Eighty-three percent of white victims are killed by white assailants. See, the vast majority of violent crime is committed within — not between — racial groups. Crime is a matter of proximity and opportunity. People victimize their own rather than drive across town to victimize somebody else.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-...tts-jr/article4187602.html#storylink=cpy

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

The excessive militarization of the police in the US causing deleterious effects proportionately to all races is a problem that perhaps the BLM has shed light on and will lead to changes.

Where is your proof that it is proportionate?

[savevp]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

This has been discussed many times in popular media. I love how your talking points fit right in at a Trump rally.

The "deplorables" dismissal that led to Trump winning in the first place. Part and parcel with the standard 'you're a racist because you say something I disagree with' response. The implication that a comment might be echoed by a politician you dislike ought not to be a dismissal, that only hardens opinion against you and what you stand for.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Quote from Miami Herald: In the second place, they ignore the obvious: When black people commit crimes against black people, they face prosecution, but when police officers (or certain neighborhood watchmen) commit crimes against black people, they face getting off with little if any punishment.

Is this actually backed up by statistics? And how can one make such a statement, knowing that the circumstances of each incident are unique? (Many of these cases, while tragic, are clearly justified.)

Are there case where cops "got off" when they shouldn't have? I am sure there are.

But this happens all the time across all demographics.

Quebec cardiologist Guy Turcotte (initially) got off for the brutal stabbing deaths of his two preschool-aged children.

Vincent Li IMO pretty much "got off" after chopping some poor guy's head off on a bus on the Prairies.

There may be some degree of bias in prosecutions and convictions of cops who kill African-Americans during the course of their duties, but the idea that the standard outcome is always the cop "getting off" sounds totally preposterous.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by JHikka

He suggested another user harm themselves.

Yea saw that in another subforum later.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Acajack

In spite of the views of many on here about the CBC, not everyone agrees that it's a paradise for minorities and SJW types:

This is not surprising. Racism is everywhere, and inside all of us. That’s why it’s systemic and why we all need to view ourselves and others through an anti-racist lens.

[rousseau]

I'm a racist and a Trump supporter. Cool. Don't stop, though. I'm curious to see what else you come up with.

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

This has been discussed many times in popular media. I love how your talking points fit right in at a Trump rally.

Black Americans make up 13% of the US population but account for half of all homicide victims.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

I'm a racist and a Trump supporter. Cool. Don't stop, though. I'm curious to see what else you come up with.


Black Americans make up 13% of the US population but account for half of all homicide victims.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

You’re talking points are literally the same as Trump supporters on this issue. That’s not complicated or difficult to see.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Funny how some SSPers assumed they were in the majority on these issues.

Is there racism in Canada? 64% say yes.
Is it a serious problem in my province? 75% say no.

Not surprised that you either misunderstood the poll or purposely presented a false interpretation of it.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

You’re talking points are literally the same as Trump supporters on this issue. That’s not complicated or difficult to see.

Evading the facts because it doesn't fit your narrative? Never saw that coming.

The numbers show plainly and unequivocally that black Americans are not in danger of being killed by the police, but they are somewhat in danger of being killed by other black Americans at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale.

But hey, what do I know? I've just found out recently that I'm a racist and a Trump supporter. This is all very enlightening, and I hope it will help with my personal growth.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Is this actually backed up by statistics? And how can one make such a statement, knowing that the circumstances of each incident are unique? (Many of these cases, while tragic, are clearly justified.)

Are there case where cops "got off" when they shouldn't have? I am sure there are.

But this happens all the time across all dempographics.

Quebec cardiologist Guy Turcotte (initially) got off for the brutal stabbing deaths of his two preschool-aged children.

Vincent Li IMO pretty much "got off" after chopping some poor guy's head off on a bus on the Prairies.

There may be some degree of bias in prosecutions and convictions of cops who kill African-Americans during the course of their duties, but the idea that the standard outcome is always the cop "getting off" sounds totally preposterous.

It’s almost as if you don’t read the news.

This article is good at explaining police bias in the US:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods.

But carrying out disciplinary action, let alone firing a police officer, is notoriously difficult in the United States. Union contracts give officers protections that have been tied to increases in misconduct8. In many states, a bill of rights for law-enforcement officers shields personnel from investigations into misconduct. “One thing we need to take a hard look at are those state laws and union contracts that provide either flawed or overly protective procedures that insulate officers from appropriate accountability,” says Seth Stoughton, a former police officer who is a law professor at the University of South Carolina in Columbia.

A woman holds up a sign of the victims during a Black Lives Matter protest in New York City
Massive protests after the death of George Floyd have renewed pressure to reform policies for US law-enforcement agencies.Credit: Steve Sanchez/Pacific Press via Zuma/eyevine

Lawrence Sherman, director of the Cambridge Centre for Evidence-Based Policing in Cambridge, UK, suggests that states have the constitutional power to license, or revoke, the power of any individual to serve as a police officer. “If a state agency was keeping track of everyone’s disciplinary history, they might have taken Derek Chauvin out of the policing business ten years ago,” says Sherman. Chauvin had received 18 complaints against him even before he put his knee on Floyd’s neck. “We monitor performance of doctors,” Sherman adds. “Why don’t we monitor the performance of police officers?”

Even officers who are fired for misconduct are frequently rehired. The police officer in Cleveland, Ohio, who fatally shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice in 2014 had previously resigned from another police department after it had deemed him unfit to serve. The Cleveland police did not review the officer’s personnel file before hiring him, The New York Times reported in 2015. An investigation of public records from Florida showed that about 3% of that state’s police force had previously been fired or had resigned in lieu of being dismissed. The study, published in May, found that these officers tended to move to smaller agencies which served a slightly larger proportion of Black residents, but with no significant difference in crime rates9. They also appeared to be more likely to commit misconduct in the future compared to officers who had never been fired.

“If an officer is fired for misconduct, or resigned to avoid an investigation, they shouldn’t be able to get hired by another agency,” says Stoughton. “This is a low-hanging fruit.”

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by rousseau

Black Americans make up 13% of the US population but account for half of all homicide victims.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Based on information from more than two million 911 calls in two US cities, he concluded that white officers dispatched to Black neighbourhoods fired their guns five times as often as Black officers dispatched for similar calls to the same neighbourhoods.

You'd almost wonder if those two factoids are linked somehow. You think?

Edit: I misread this as all police officers in black neighbourhoods firing guns more than white officers specifically, so this particular comparison I've made doesn't really make sense.