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Old Posted Jun 16, 2020, 3:24 PM
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An interesting perspective on all of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97tE6_fRxw&feature=youtu.be
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2020, 5:06 PM
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An interesting perspective on all of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97tE6_fRxw&feature=youtu.be
an interesting perspective? how tone deaf can you be to start quoting officer tatum.

never mind officer tatum quoting drew brees on the sancity of the american flag.

maybe drew brees doesn't remember the american flag being burned as part of the vietnam war protests, a war that wasn't even waged over american territory or american interests as much as it was an excuse to ship young black men overseas to die at the hand of those communist gooks.

next you'll be telling us candace owens has an interesting perspective.

you want an interesting perspective?

read these:

https://www.scarymommy.com/shola-richards-common-sense-points-racism/

https://www.scarymommy.com/you-asked-i-a...Sf_TrCj8XnOi5m8hfqZVfE8-OtDFhx5DTS2FRRgg

or listen to these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ25-U3jNWM from 1964

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Web007rzSOI from 1939

it's one thing to watch someone dig a hole with a shovel and suggest it's time to put it down for a bit, it's quite something else to watch someone dig a hole with a backhoe.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2020, 5:17 PM
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Thanks for the links, I appreciate a variety of perspectives and thoughts on all of this.

https://www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2020, 5:55 PM
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Thanks for the links, I appreciate a variety of perspectives and thoughts on all of this.

https://www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police
"Overall, we rate Quillette Questionable based on the promotion of racial pseudoscience and the use of poor sources."

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quillette/

as for this piece by coleman hughes, i read it to the end before responding but it didn't change my response.

coleman starts his second paragraph with "At the root of the unrest is the Black Lives Matter movement, which began with the acquittal of George Zimmerman in 2013 and rose to national prominence in the wake of Michael Brown’s death in 2014." that's nonsense and he should know that - and so should you - although there is lots of rationalizing that statement after that statement. the root of the unrest long predates blm and it continues to this day. blm may be a touchstone but blm is not the root. blm may not be the sole solution and its execution may be imperfect but to insist that blm is at the root of the unrest is deflection of the highest order.

even the studies he quotes are out of context (i've read them as well at various points in time) and beg the question being asked. for brevity, i'll just use the first one to summarize what i mean. in fryers' working paper, his introduction states that "On the most extreme use of force – officer involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account." that's because the underlying statistics are questionable - using police statistics when researching police behavior is not basing conclusions on impartial data. furthermore, not accounting for the cause of those "contextual factors" and assuming they are not based on racial inequality and prejudice will do nothing but hide the "root causes" of the very incidences and behaviors under discussion.

he did make one interesting comment at the beginning of his penultimate paragraph:

"The political Right has a role to play as well. For too long, “All Lives Matter” has been a slogan used only as a clapback to Black Lives Matter...".
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What do you boys think of renaming the Oliver neighborhood due to its namesake (Frank Oliver) being a racist politician/journalist? Any ideas what the new name should be?

https://twitter.com/OCLYEG/status/1275433579229491200
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What do you boys think of renaming the Oliver neighborhood due to its namesake (Frank Oliver) being a racist politician/journalist? Any ideas what the new name should be?

https://twitter.com/OCLYEG/status/1275433579229491200
we should take a lesson from parisiennes…

paris has 20 distinct neighborhoods or arrondissemonts. they are imaginatively and non-controversially named 1st through 20th.
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as disappointing as this is, it's even more disappointing knowing that it is more and more becoming the rule rather than the exception over the last 12 weeks or so for both public and private spaces. between street and sidewalk closures (short-term and long-term), retail and office businesses being closed, drastically reduced pedestrian and vehicular traffic, little to no enforcement on camps, and uncut grass already high enough to easily hide in, this kind of vandalism is higher than its ever been.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-n...cm/66c9dd31-ddbc-4eea-adcc-ae302362cfdb/
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2020, 10:15 PM
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^ File that under "This Is Why Edmonton Can't Have Nice Things" #1131.
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we should take a lesson from parisiennes…

paris has 20 distinct neighborhoods or arrondissemonts. they are imaginatively and non-controversially named 1st through 20th.
The Oliver community can name it whatever they want as long as they are responsible for the costs of changing it.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 2:47 PM
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I like Ken's suggestion. Just put a number on it.
Sure as sheep shit, someone will be offended by the new neighborhood name too and they'll be going through this process again

Or how about "Neighborhood McNeighborhoodface"?
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2020, 7:52 PM
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Will have to piss someone off even if a number is used.

I elect they call it District 69. Or Arrondissement Menage a Troi
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I like Ken's suggestion. Just put a number on it.
Sure as sheep shit, someone will be offended by the new neighborhood name too and they'll be going through this process again

Or how about "Neighborhood McNeighborhoodface"?
I agree. Perhaps something as simple as 'West Village' or something that can stand the test of time.
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The Oliver community can name it whatever they want as long as they are responsible for the costs of changing it.
That would mean you have no difficulty having it named after a racist. Is that really you?
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If they use a native name it better be pronounceable otherwise just leave it.

It's just a name folks, let's not go overboard with renaming things just because someone is offended by it. There are thousands of people that are named "Oliver", rededicate the existing name to another person named Oliver.

As for numbers, how about neighbourhood 666, or 13! I'm sure nooobody will be offended by that!
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That would mean you have no difficulty having it named after a racist. Is that really you?
Don’t be ridiculous. My comment was if a community or any public entity wants to change their name because they find it offensive are they responsible financially for the costs involved?

Just asking the question
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Don’t be ridiculous. My comment was if a community or any public entity wants to change their name because they find it offensive are they responsible financially for the costs involved?

Just asking the question
i don't believe individual communities or public entities are responsible financially for the costs involved. the city already has a committee and a process in place to address the naming of facilities, neighborhoods, parks and this one wouldn't be any different.

there is also recent precedent for this in the city's changing the name of jasper east village to the quarters as it was deemed in the best interests of the city and the neighborhood to do so and the costs weren't charged back to that neighborhood.

https://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/city_organization/naming-committee.aspx
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there is also recent precedent for this in the city's changing the name of jasper east village to the quarters as it was deemed in the best interests of the city and the neighborhood to do so and the costs weren't charged back to that neighborhood.[/URL]
I'm dying to know which part of "jasper east village" was deemed offensive.

Isn't the name Quarters, by definition, divisive?
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I liked the suggestion of just not naming neighborhoods after people. As soon as you do that, your neighborhood becomes the symbol of whatever they did.

Overall, I think most people could care less if they change the name or keep the name. For the raging twitter activists (both sides) however this will be yet another hill to die on.
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i don't believe individual communities or public entities are responsible financially for the costs involved. the city already has a committee and a process in place to address the naming of facilities, neighborhoods, parks and this one wouldn't be any different.

there is also recent precedent for this in the city's changing the name of jasper east village to the quarters as it was deemed in the best interests of the city and the neighborhood to do so and the costs weren't charged back to that neighborhood.

https://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/city_organization/naming-committee.aspx
Thanks Ken
Speaking of names
I was thinking of Mayfair Park and that name changing to Hawrelak Park. Bill Hawrelak was a colorful mayor with political scandal in city council.
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If they use a native name it better be pronounceable otherwise just leave it.
Yikes
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