The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Yes, pointing out racism is the real racism.

You didn't point out racism, you made the racist claim that white people are somehow uniquely able to "dehumanize" people, presumably explaining white racism. This is a claim akin to original sin, as if being white means you're necessarily racist.

It's demonstrably false.

I'm white. I've never said or done a racist thing in my life, nor am I contributing to or benefiting from any governmental or private structure that is. I learned my lessons about racism from my parents against the back drop of the legacy of the US civil rights movement in the 1960s. There is nothing in a white-skinned descendant of Europe that predisposes him or her more to racist attitudes than anyone of any other skin pigment.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

The idiotic statement by the dreaming brother was that white people were uniquely able to "dehumanize" other people. This is demonstrable false, and indeed, farcical. And racist. The word system didn't enter into it.

Who else dehumanized people in North America? Who else profited from the plunder and the racism?

White people did, and they created a white supremacist system that still has effects on modern society.

The racism of other groups is irrelevant to our problem. Being unable to see how white dehumanization of others is unique within our country and continent's life and was far-reaching on a previously unseen global scale is purely an observation.

Recognizing this doesn't erase progress. It just means that you can follow a train of thought and listen to actual black and brown people who repeatedly voice their issues, instead of rationalizing, justifying and downplaying like a typical self-centred white Canadian.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

You didn't point out racism, you made the racist claim that white people are somehow uniquely able to "dehumanize" people, presumably explaining white racism. This is a claim akin to original sin, as if being white means you're necessarily racist.

It's demonstrably false.

I'm white. I've never said or done a racist thing in my life, nor am I contributing to or benefiting from any governmental or private structure that is. I learned my lessons about racism from my parents against the back drop of the legacy of the US civil rights movement in the 1960s. There is nothing in a white-skinned descendant of Europe that predisposes him or her more to racist attitudes than anyone of any other skin pigment.

Once again, there are plenty of books you could read at this moment which would show how naive your perspective is on race.

Authors like:

Ibram X. Kendi

Robin DiAngelo

James Baldwin

Audre Lorde

Ta-Nehisi Coates

Austin Channing Brown

Ijeoma Oluo

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Once again, there are plenty of books you could read at this moment which would show how naive your perspective is on race.

lol like White Fragility?

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Who else dehumanized people in North America? Who else profited from the plunder and the racism?

The indigenous peoples in the Americas did, obviously.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Who else profited from the plunder

Money-Laundering Chinese Billionaires™, who for decades now have been making ungodly amounts flipping properties without giving a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 about the fact they're on Unceded Native Land. Next question!

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

The indigenous peoples in the Americas did, obviously.

And how did that shape the world we currently live in?

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by saffronleaf

lol like White Fragility?

Yeah it's a really good book.

Perhaps you should read it before commenting so flippantly.

Flippant responses, denial, and ignorance while common coping mechanisms will never resolve these issues. The mob you perceive may get angrier and louder, making even less sense to you. That is because you chose not to listen.

There is a part of me that reacted the way Rousseau does, but I chose not to prioritize my discomfort. I listened even when I heard things I didn't want to hear. I was curious. The truth of those ideas stuck to me and I could not shake them. I struggled against it but in the end my opinion evolved and is still evolving.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

And how did that shape the world we currently live in?

Ah, maybe now we can chip away at some of the incoherence of SJW reasoning.

Are you suggesting that the utter savagery of pre-Colombian tribes and civilizations is inconsequential when it comes to addressing what you consider to be the innately racist ability of white Europeans to "dehumanize" people simply because the Europeans were more advanced and successful than those tribes and civilizations, some of whom died out?

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

Ah, maybe now we can chip away at some of the incoherence of SJW reasoning.

Are you suggesting that the utter savagery of pre-Colombian tribes and civilizations is inconsequential when it comes to addressing what you consider to be the innately racist ability of white Europeans to "dehumanize" people simply because the Europeans were more advanced and successful than those tribes and civilizations, some of whom died out?

And now we come to understand that you believe pre-colombian tribes were "utter savages" but that you are also not racist.

[rousseau]

I mean, if white people are innately racist (original sin being a foundational Christian tenet), then there's no way of moving forward without repentance and spiritual rebirth. Problem is, the people who need to repent and be reborn are all dead.

I have nothing to repent for and I'm not religious.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

I mean, if white people are innately racist (original sin being a foundational Christian tenet), then there's no way of moving forward without repentance and spiritual rebirth. Problem is, the people who need to repent and be reborn are all dead.

I have nothing to repent for and I'm not religious.

You are also not open-minded and refuse to learn anything new on this topic. Congratulations.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

And now we come to understand that you believe pre-colombian tribes were "utter savages" but that you are also not racist.

Savage: "lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings."

If you don't think human sacrifice is savage then I don't know what to say.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

You are also not open-minded and refuse to learn anything new on this topic. Congratulations.

I'll humour you here. In what way should I be open-minded to feeling guilty about being white?

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

Savage: "lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings."

If you don't think human sacrifice is savage then I don't know what to say from here.

And what was the genocide of indigenous people? Mild savagery? Par for the course? Ok at the time?

Once again, I'm not an expert on this topic and from the bent you are showing you're probably not either.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

I'll humour you here. In what way should I be open-minded to feeling guilty about being white?

Oh you're so kind.

Read a book on these topics written from an anti-racist perspective.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

Savage: "lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings."

If you don't think human sacrifice is savage then I don't know what to say.

It's funny how by trying to prove you are not racist you are revealing yourself to be deeply racist.

Like who says these things in 2020? It's mind-blowing.

[rousseau]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

And what was the genocide of indigenous people?

An attack of germs, mostly.

The Europeans conquered the Americas just like other peoples have been conquered since time immemorial. It's just that the Europeans did it on a greater scale and were more successful due to their superior weaponry and technology.

The racist disdain which the Europeans viewed the less advanced peoples they conquered was no different than the disdain that a victorious tribe or ethnic grouping would feel toward those they vanquished.

I keep going on this. Why? The SJW mantra is that we can't move forward without repenting of the original sin of whiteness. I disagree, and feel it's plainly obvious that we only move forward by acknowledging our common humanity. That was the modus operandi in the 1960s. Seems it got lost somehow.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by rousseau

An attack of germs, mostly.

The Europeans conquered the Americas just like other peoples have been conquered since time immemorial. It's just that the Europeans did it on a greater scale and were more successful due to their superior weaponry and technology.

The racist disdain which the Europeans viewed the less advanced peoples they conquered was no different than the disdain that a victorious tribe or ethnic grouping would feel toward those they vanquished.

I keep going on this. Why? The SJW mantra is that we can't move forward without repenting of the original sin of whiteness. I disagree, and feel it's plainly obvious that we only move forward by acknowledging our common humanity. That was the modus operandi in the 1960s. Seems it got lost somehow.

Just germs.

The most obvious thing is that the Canadian education system failed you and your ideas are the whitewashed Eurocentric version that we found in all of our textbooks growing up. Time to investigate the subject matter further and read something modern on these topics that isn’t just written from the perspective of the “winners”.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

It's funny how by trying to prove you are not racist you are revealing yourself to be deeply racist.

Like who says these things in 2020? It's mind-blowing.

"Human sacrifice is a savage practice" in 2020 is "mind-blowing" to you?!?

You're the only person I've heard in 2020 (and in my entire life, actually) taking a stance in favor of human sacrifice being the civilized/educated thing to do.