The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread - Page 105

Acajack · #**2081** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 9:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

How dare people be encouraged to better and change their society and refuse to accept the status quo.

Those first nations that lack drinking water? Nah we're good.
The income inequality in Canada? We're good.
The housing crisis? We're good.
Racism in Canada in general? Nah we're good guys.
The richest in Canada holding money overseas, holding monopolies on industries? It's cool.

As long as i've got it good it's fine. How depressing. There are always ways we can improve our society and better ourselves.

All true, but "everything is rotten to the core so let's storm the gates and burn it all down" is not an alternative policy platform.

Acajack · #**2082** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 9:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by saffronleaf

1. What kind of society is this where public monuments get torn down by mobs (and by society I'm broadly including the Anglo-American world)? This isn't Iraq after the invasion. If we want to remove public monuments we should have a process to discuss the request and adjudicate it fairly and transparently. Not go around acting like hooligans and destroying monuments. .

This is a very good point.

Acajack · #**2083** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 9:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by saffronleaf

2. There's a big difference between erecting new monuments glorifying controversial historical figures and simply keeping what's already there. Even if it was erected during a period of racism with bad intent, that itself is an important period of history being represented.

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If everything "Confederate" is erased, in 100 years from now maybe a lot of people will conclude that southern US whites got over all of this a lot sooner than they did, and were actually pretty nice to black people after all!

Just joking!

Acajack · #**2084** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 9:54 PM**

I actually don't think that it is a bad thing to have stuff like this around as "evidence ".

Chadillaccc · #**2085** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:00 PM**

Lol, there aren’t statues of Hitler and other Nazi officials all over 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 Germany, yet we still all know they were genocidal maniacs who tried to enslave the planet. I think we’ll be fine once all the statues of a few dozen lazy, slave-owning, indigenous brutalizing douchebags are melted down and remoulded into statues relevant to social progress.

Acajack · #**2086** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Lol, there aren’t statues of Hitler and other Nazi officials all over 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 Germany, yet we still all know they were 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 maniacs and tried to enslave the planet. I think we’ll be fine once all the statues of a few dozen douchebags are melted down and remoulded into statues relevant to social progress.

It's only a mental exercise, just for fun.

But BTW Holocaust deniers do exist out there. Would a ban on Mein Kampf in librairies and bookstores (as has been suggested by some) help or hurt the deniers?

Not sure of the answer.

savevp · #**2087** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Not a fan of CTV News in general but lately they actually seem more balanced than the CBC.

Agree with both points on my end. Can't stand CTV but CBC's late fixation on the narrative that police are violent racists has become overdone to me, though some will certainly disagree. Though I'd argue the once-vaunted BBC is significantly worse these days, in terms of obvious bias.

Still, though, the state of news media in the States is all the evidence we need for the value of an impartial national news agency as a backstop against spiralling bias and sensationalism. The CBC'S abdication, to some degree, of its duty to impartiality shouldn't be reason for its abolition. Rather, I believe an independent bias Ombudsman should be appointed to report annually on editorial bias and recommend strategies to re-centre when it drifts to one side or the other.

I know it's still not a silver bullet, but I think it's the best solution available to ensure an viable, impartial national broadcaster.

Acajack · #**2088** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:08 PM**

I have noticed that many news networks no longer bother with guests representing views from
both sides on their panels these days.

MonctonRad · #**2089** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

But BTW Holocaust deniers do exist out there. Would a ban on Mein Kampf in librairies and bookstores (as has been suggested by some) help or hurt the deniers?

I thought it was the Nazis that liked burning books. Have we come full circle?

savevp · #**2090** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Lol, there aren’t statues of Hitler and other Nazi officials all over 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 Germany, yet we still all know they were genocidal maniacs who tried to enslave the planet. I think we’ll be fine once all the statues of a few dozen lazy, slave-owning, indigenous brutalizing douchebags are melted down and remoulded into statues relevant to social progress.

Except it's not just a few dozen statues being torn down these days is it? Comparing Churchill, Washington, Columbus, Cornwallis, etc etc etc to Hitler is disingenuous. These historical figures merely reflected the moral/ethical flaws of their time, which we've now advanced beyond, whereas Hitler was as explicitly evil in his time as he would be today.

Chadillaccc · #**2091** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:34 PM**

I didn’t say a few dozen statues, I said the statues of a few dozen douchebags. Individual douchebags, such as Robert E. Lee, Leopold II, and co. have many statues.

I wasn’t comparing them to hitler, I was comparing the continuing existence Of these horrific monuments to lack of existence yet still extensive knowledge of the acts of the Nazis. However, Robert E. Lee and Leopold II are easily comparable to Hitler. Perhaps not as bad (though not for a lack of trying), but still explicitly evil.

Columbus was a genocidal, pedophilic 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. His newly corrected place in history has been a long time coming, and every statue in existence glorifying him should be torn down. I’m all for statues that show the reality of who these pieces of 🞵🞵🞵🞵 were staying up, but obviously the ones falsely glorifying them should be annihilated.

Architype · #**2092** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I have noticed that many news networks no longer bother with guests representing views from
both sides on their panels these days.

You mean, like Stockwell Day?

kwoldtimer · #**2093** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 10:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

All true, but "everything is rotten to the core so let's storm the gates and burn it all down" is not an alternative policy platform.

Worked for Trump ...

rousseau · #**2094** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 11:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Columbus was a genocidal, pedophilic 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵.

So was Muhammad. Well, he wasn't a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵, but he was exponentially worse than Columbus in practically every way. Shall we tear down all the monuments to Muhammad then?

Erm, yeah. Okay, how about we demand that people not call their children Muhammad? We should ban the name because of the evil it represents.

Right?

rousseau · #**2095** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 11:06 PM**

Just thought I'd repost this again because the stats are so surprising. Who would have guessed?

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Originally Posted by rousseau

Incredible stuff in this video from before the protesting from someone named Coleman Hughes, a black American who I gather is probably not popular among the SJW crowd.

From 2001 to 2017:
- incarceration rate of black men aged 18-19 dropped 72%
- incarceration rate of black men aged 20-24 dropped 60%
- incarceration rate of black men aged 25-29 dropped 59%
- teenage birth rate for black women aged 15-19 dropped 63%
- deaths from heart disease for black Americans over 65 down 43%
- life expectancy up 3 1/2 and 3 years for black women and men, respectively
- bachelor's degrees awarded to black students up 82%
- over 60% of black people report doing better financially than their parents did (higher percentage than whites or hispanics)
- black women now go on to earn more than white women from similar socioeconomic backgrounds

Why does nobody know this? Because "if it bleeds it leads," as they say, so the media is not generally motivated to discuss things like slow progress. It also doesn't fit the arguably racist SJW narrative (yeah, I went there) that black people are downtrodden victims of systematic oppression largely without agency. More critically, it doesn't fit the narrative that US society is fundamentally racist and does not allow black Americans to make the sort of advances given in the metrics above.

saffronleaf · #**2096** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 11:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by rousseau

So was Muhammad. Well, he wasn't a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵, but he was exponentially worse than Columbus in practically every way. Shall we tear down all the monuments to Muhammad then?

Erm, yeah. Okay, how about we demand that people not call their children Muhammad. We should ban the name because of the evil it represents.

Right?

Wrong. You have been cancelled for expressing a thought not in compliance with the National Council of Thoughts and Beliefs. Please attend Trinity Bellwoods at 2pm tomorrow for a struggle session.

But no, that won't happen, because if you take a look at the list of minorities that liberals like to pity and infantilize, Muslims are at the top of it. They can do no wrong.

vid · #**2097** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 11:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by rousseau

Just thought I'd repost this again because the stats are so surprising. Who would have guessed?

Progress has been made but the situation is still unbalanced and more progress is required. Just because things are less bad doesn't mean they're good.

WarrenC12 · #**2098** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 11:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I have noticed that many news networks no longer bother with guests representing views from
both sides on their panels these days.

Sometimes that does more harm than good. Examples include climate change and anti-vaxxers.

dreambrother808 · #**2099** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by vid

Progress has been made but the situation is still unbalanced and more progress is required. Just because things are less bad doesn't mean they're good.

Yes, but this white guy in Ontario isn’t exactly comfortable with how people relate to and express themselves on a situation with which he has zero direct experience, so... time for them to do things his way. He’s the real expert, after all.

saffronleaf · #**2100** Posted **Jun 21, 2020, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

History is subject to constant revision, no?

In a general sense, sure. But there is a distinction. The Maoist Cultural Revolution engaged in revisionist history. A scholar publishing a clarification or nuance or addition to our general understanding of history might be a revision in the ordinary sense of the term, but probably wouldn't be considered revisionist history.

The 1619 Project is not a work of scholarship, but a political project of revisionist history.