The not so Great Racism in Canada Thread

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

A Grade 3 student teacher. I think he was the first black person I had ever met. He would pinch us as a form of punishment. It was the early 80s. We were scared of him because of that behaviour so not the best experience. Most of my views of black people were shaped by television though, generally positive things like the Cosby Show. Hearing anti-black bias over and over again presented as “common sense” still seeps into your brain, hence why we all need to investigate ourselves through an anti-racist lens. In Thunder Bay, however, being racist towards indigenous people was the focus and black people were rarely if ever mentioned.

Pinch? That's the first time I've heard that being used as a punishment. None of the kids complained to their parents about it?

Hearing the same bias over and over about any group or any individual will eventually seep into your brain which is why the people trying to instill racism, hatred, etc. do it. It's partly why I posted the question which I saw a black girl ask on Twitter yesterday. When I was looking at the thread it already had over 17K responses. I was amazed at how many people said they never had a black teacher until they went to college.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The press and the NDP (and now crowds I guess) are barking up the wrong tree. The silence was almost the perfect message. We can't antagonize that orange spaz.

Plenty of issues in Canada to deal with.

Indeed - between now and November/January, there is zero benefit to be gained from drawing negative attention from the neighbour’s Loser in Chief. Where it will get interesting is the new year, if Trump retains power ...

[Corndogger]

NFL condemns racism, admits ‘we were wrong’ not to listen to NFL player protests

Published Fri, Jun 5 20206:49 PM EDT

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/nfl-cond...ot-to-listen-to-nfl-player-protests.html

[Corndogger]

How is Justin going to top this?

Reddit co-founder Ohanian resigns from board, urges company to replace him with a black candidate

• Reddit Co-founder Alexis Ohanian on Friday announced his resignation from the company’s board, saying he was stepping down and urging the company to replace him with a black person.
• Ohanian also committed to using future gains from his Reddit stock to serve the black community and focus on curbing racial hate.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/reddits-...board-in-support-of-black-community.html

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I was amazed at how many people said they never had a black teacher until they went to college.

When I was in school there were maybe a few tens of thousands of blacks in the entire country. I don't remember ever seeing an adult black person other than a football player, although there were two or three kids at school (out of eight or nine hundred). The main nonwhite group in those days (in western Canada) were the Japanese. Ironically, nowadays they barely even register.

[WhipperSnapper]

I could not care less what the NFL does or doesn't do.

The reddit one is an interesting case. It's missing the point. The point of all of this is to make fundamental changes in how we view each other. To consider the most qualified shareholder regardless of race and gender. This is just more of the same and there's no long term viability it won't go full reverse once the world moves onto the next hot topic.

[WhipperSnapper]

I don't think I ever had black teacher or professor.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I could not care less what the NFL does or doesn't do.

The reddit one is an interesting case. It's missing the point. The point of all of this is to make fundamental changes in how we view each other. To consider the most qualified shareholder regardless of race and gender. This is just more of the same and there's no long term viability it won't go full reverse once the world moves onto the next hot topic.

It kinda of comes across as an affirmative action move to me.

[kwoldtimer]

What to make of an immediate assumption that a candidate of colour will not be well qualified for a position? One is reminded of forum reactions to the Liberal cabinet...

[Truenorth00]

Stockwell Day resigned from Telus Board.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-relea...-Down-from-TELUS-Board-of-Directors.html

Compared racism to being bullied for wearing glasses.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Stockwell Day resigned from Telus Board.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-relea...-Down-from-TELUS-Board-of-Directors.html

Compared racism to being bullied for wearing glasses.

To be fair, he was badly damaged by the experience ...

[someone123]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

What to make of an immediate assumption that a candidate of colour will not be well qualified for a position? One is reminded of forum reactions to the Liberal cabinet...

One could also point out that the the requirement to find a black person for the job implies that a black person would not otherwise have been found to be most qualified, which isn't a great message. Would a hard-working and well-qualified black person really want the race-specific slot? And if this is meant to make up for racial injustice, what about Latino or Asian candidates? Ohanian said he had to do it for his daughter. Had he married an Asian woman instead would he have had to demand that a board position go to an Asian person? It's a little weird.

In any case I question how much we should applaud a guy with a $70M estimated net worth for volunteering not to work. Presumably he could have quietly donated a bunch of money instead of choosing to generate so much noise. How predictable that attention will shift toward celebrities, board members of large companies, etc.

[Black Star]

Wholly shit...this world has gone mad lol. All the sudden there is this!!

I have never lived my life thinking of people as black and white, rich, and poor, good and bad. My friends come from many walks of life and most of them have done better than me and good for them - I celebrate their achievements. I look at them all as Canadians and not hyphenated Canadians.

This government and the institutions we used to look up to now carry on like sycophants - they bow down and humiliate themselves with cowardly conduct that is shameful to our nation acts of contrition that serve to divide. For crying out loud, I am sick of the high and the mighty among Canadians telling the plebs that they should get down on their knees and ask for forgiveness and to make reparations for something none of us have ever been responsible/involved; stuff that has been exaggerated but nonetheless addressed with endless funding, land, apologies - self -immolation and financial punishment/taxation on a grand scale for a minority that does all the taking.

[once]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Mark sums him up well.



"Our PM used black face once therefore we should have shame as a country"

The fact Trudeau wore make up to appear as a different skin color was not racist in any way shape or form.

The only reason "black face" is considered racist in America is because of it's roots in Hollywood's treatment of black actors.

If on the other side of the world, a person wants to dress up to be a black or brown guy, and paint his face, how exactly is that racist, considering absolutely zero connection to Hollywood?

There seems to be this retroactive application of values such that what happens in a tiny part of the world in America suddenly causes actions the world over to be considered "racist".

Another example: The term "oriental" has been determined by the great minds of America to be racist - this is not a determination shared in most other parts of the world, but now a person in Europe who "didn't get the memo" regarding the American's judgement on this term is now deemed an unapologetic racist.

In reality, not realizing that other cultures developed differently than America and have different situations which constitute racism is the ignorant bigoted view of the world. America does not get to decide what is and what isn't OK for the rest of the world - that includes "black face" and also dictating which language is and is not OK for individuals to use to describe each other.

[Truenorth00]

JFC. I can't believe people think blackface was exclusively an American racial phenomenon.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5926620/blackface-canada-history/

This whole episode is quickly showing how ignorant a lot of Canadians are too.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The press and the NDP (and now crowds I guess) are barking up the wrong tree. The silence was almost the perfect message. We can't antagonize that orange spaz.

Plenty of issues in Canada to deal with.

Yes, pressure him to deal with our own problems on these issues. “Standing up to Trump” will only hurt us and not have any effect on the American situation. It’s naive to think otherwise.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Mark sums him up well.

Canada's American inferiority complex now has some Canadians outright denying issues here because, "we're not the US", while an whole other faction wants to participate in the me too grievance Olympics.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

JFC. I can't believe people think blackface was exclusively an American racial phenomenon.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5926620/blackface-canada-history/

This whole episode is quickly showing how ignorant a lot of Canadians are too.

Well it wasn’t a popular phenomenon during our lifetimes so the fact that people don’t know isn’t really surprising to me.

Generally though, most things that are popular in the US become or are popular here as well.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by once

The fact Trudeau wore make up to appear as a different skin color was not racist in any way shape or form.

The only reason "black face" is considered racist in America is because of it's roots in Hollywood's treatment of black actors.

If on the other side of the world, a person wants to dress up to be a black or brown guy, and paint his face, how exactly is that racist, considering absolutely zero connection to Hollywood?

There seems to be this retroactive application of values such that what happens in a tiny part of the world in America suddenly causes actions the world over to be considered "racist".

Another example: The term "oriental" has been determined by the great minds of America to be racist - this is not a determination shared in most other parts of the world, but now a person in Europe who "didn't get the memo" regarding the American's judgement on this term is now deemed an unapologetic racist.

In reality, not realizing that other cultures developed differently than America and have different situations which constitute racism is the ignorant bigoted view of the world. America does not get to decide what is and what isn't OK for the rest of the world - that includes "black face" and also dictating which language is and is not OK for individuals to use to describe each other.

Blackface is racist because the intent over its long history was to mock, caricaturize, and dehumanize black people as a form of entertainment. In a similar vein, the N-word isn’t racist because of how the letters are strung together but rather because of its historical use.

Trudeau’s blackface was tone deaf and culturally ignorant but I don’t think he was aware of that at the time.

[vid]

Originally Posted by Architype

Ah, you saw the depth and complexity in my post.

It was ground breaking at the time, the real racist tv shows were like Bugs Bunny.

I grew up watching the show, and despite both my parents not having an education and my dad's side being neo-nazis, that aspect of Archie Bunker's character was reinforced through my childhood. Partly because we had to be the Meathead to my dad's parents' Archie Bunker; it was a useful skill.

Originally Posted by lio45

And why would you think that "no one else" shares my points? I bet I can find several SSPers who do. Challenge accepted...?

I was referring to myself.