stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge (Pattullo Bridge Replacement) | U/C

[Marshal]

Building 4 instead of 6 is unfortunate and mostly political. Regardless, if you can't understand New West not wanting even more traffic (look at a map to see how New West already is a traffic pinch point in 4-6 different directions) you are missing the possibility for proper planning. The real problem for New West is not the bridge but the capacity of McBride. The ideal would be 6 lanes with Mcbride in a cut and cover to 10th, then a Burnaby connector to HWY1. New West Planning would support that, but the Stormont Connector (once a future priority) has fallen completely off the radar. So New West wants 4 lanes until something is done to improve the network on their side. Building 4 and a future 6 pacifies them, but also wastes funding and ultimate construction disruptions.

But it will be 4, expandable to 6 . . . time to get over it.

[libtard]

So it’s not going to be an H frame bridge? All the news outlets are showing pictures of single pier

[officedweller]

Single tower H-frame bridge.

[Metro-One]

Beating a dead horse but the 4th and 5th lanes would have been add / drop lanes for directing traffic to and from the east towards Brunette Interchange. Translink and the province actually had complimentary plans to improve this corridor but that has now seemingly fallen off the radar under the NDP. (Very silently)

So New West really would not have been inundated with more traffic had a 6 lane bridge been chosen for opening day.

Also if note it seems that not only will adding these additional lanes require major work but may also involve narrowing lane widths. Now that does bother me.

Would love to see some more updated detailed alignments and renders...

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Beating a dead horse but the 4th and 5th lanes would have been add / drop lanes for directing traffic to and from the east towards Brunette Interchange. Translink and the province actually had complimentary plans to improve this corridor but that has now seemingly fallen off the radar under the NDP. (Very silently)

There are still plans on improving Brunette (but not the interchange) but everything's kind of taken a back burner while the RCH expansion is being designed out.

[bloomtronzero]

I kinda get not wanting to dump six lanes of traffic on New West when it's already so overwhelmed. I think, if the replacement of the Patullo wasn't absolutely necessary(which it is), ultimately the goal should probably be a new crossing in a different location. Giving a way for all the heavy traffic to cross, but also bypass New West somewhere. I don't think New West can both be a dense urban centre and freight/commuter traffic crossroads for much longer. I don't quite know where I'd put it yet(Big Bend to Lulu Island?), but long term I think that will be the way to go and will make the whole 4-or-6 debate hopefully less of a big deal.

As an aside, I love that the future possible lanes are going to be improved cycling and pedestrian. I'm all for the cycling bit, but surely most people on foot wanting to get to that part of Surrey would take the SkyTrain, right?

[Trainguy]

New West needs to fix Columbia with that stupid single lane that bends towards Braid and the #1. Everyone zooms ahead and cuts in front of others at the last moment. It should be 2 lanes going around the bend. It can get so backed up at that location. It has been that way for so long that I doubt there is any will to change it.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by bloomtronzero

I kinda get not wanting to dump six lanes of traffic on New West when it's already so overwhelmed. I think, if the replacement of the Patullo wasn't absolutely necessary(which it is), ultimately the goal should probably be a new crossing in a different location. Giving a way for all the heavy traffic to cross, but also bypass New West somewhere. I don't think New West can both be a dense urban centre and freight/commuter traffic crossroads for much longer. I don't quite know where I'd put it yet(Big Bend to Lulu Island?), but long term I think that will be the way to go and will make the whole 4-or-6 debate hopefully less of a big deal.

As an aside, I love that the future possible lanes are going to be improved cycling and pedestrian. I'm all for the cycling bit, but surely most people on foot wanting to get to that part of Surrey would take the SkyTrain, right?

Yes, it exists, it's called the TCH.

[flipper316]

Originally Posted by bloomtronzero

I kinda get not wanting to dump six lanes of traffic on New West when it's already so overwhelmed. I think, if the replacement of the Patullo wasn't absolutely necessary(which it is), ultimately the goal should probably be a new crossing in a different location. Giving a way for all the heavy traffic to cross, but also bypass New West somewhere. I don't think New West can both be a dense urban centre and freight/commuter traffic crossroads for much longer. I don't quite know where I'd put it yet(Big Bend to Lulu Island?), but long term I think that will be the way to go and will make the whole 4-or-6 debate hopefully less of a big deal.

As an aside, I love that the future possible lanes are going to be improved cycling and pedestrian. I'm all for the cycling bit, but surely most people on foot wanting to get to that part of Surrey would take the SkyTrain, right?

How many times we gotta say this? Mcbride doesn't even need to be 6 lanes from the bridge to 8th although it would be nice and there's obviously space do it. As a side note, I don't even know why New West is bitching. Mcbride is already 6 lanes from 8th to 10 th.

Its been mentioned time and time again that the outer lanes on the new 6 lane bridge would act as add/drop down to the exits on both sides preventing less merging and lane changes like it's done on the Port Mann. I don't know why people and New West is against that. So stupid.

[Marshal]

I think this has become New West's version of viewcones: people seem to be too scared (of what?) to simply apply their reason and change direction. So, the position is set in stone.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Trainguy

New West needs to fix Columbia with that stupid single lane that bends towards Braid and the #1. Everyone zooms ahead and cuts in front of others at the last moment. It should be 2 lanes going around the bend. It can get so backed up at that location. It has been that way for so long that I doubt there is any will to change it.

One of the senior transportation planners has this on his plate. It also needs to be improved because of the terrible detour for the Central Valley Greenway that's right there.

[cairnstone]

What should have been included in the proposal was the stormont connector that ties the patello bridge into the number 1 highway.

[Bdawe]

Originally Posted by Marshal

I think this has become New West's version of viewcones: people seem to be too scared (of what?) to simply apply their reason and change direction. So, the position is set in stone.

I don't know why this is so hard. The "what?" is car traffic and pollution in people's communities, and the why is the stylized fact that more car capacity leads to more car traffic.

You can't just keep repeating that this is an add-drop lane and be baffled why New Westminster doesn't buy that it isn't going to see more use than the alternative

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

What should have been included in the proposal was the stormont connector that ties the patello bridge into the number 1 highway.

This was written eight years ago and it still applies for why the Stormont Connector is a terrible idea today.

[Mininari]

If we're building for the future here (50-100 years), then pollution is becoming an irrelevant concern -- we're legislated to be selling only electric vehicles by 2040 in BC, and I would guess the fleet will have a significant mix of EVs, PHEVs, and Hybrids by then. Gasoline-powered cars will fade away to a smaller percentage of the fleet in the years following as they age out.

That said, I think we're going to be seeing more telecommuting / working from home moving forward for those who can do it in their jobs. Those who can't, (e.g. tradespeople) are going to continue to commute by one mode or the other. The expansion of the skytrain network south of the Fraser will also be a good thing in the long term (even if it is Mayor Adam West advocating for it completely against the grain of regional planning).

[flipper316]

https://www.peacearchnews.com/news/trans...about-local-investments-in-surrey-today/

[Nites]

What’s Happening Now

Geotechnical Investigation Work in New Westminster and Surrey – Mid-March to June 2020

Fraser Crossing Partners, the contractor who will build the new bridge, will undertake some geotechnical investigations in New Westminster and Surrey near the existing bridge, from mid-March to June 2020. Geotechnical investigations involve drilling boreholes in the project area to gather subsurface soil information.

Most work will be completed Monday to Friday between 7:00 AM and 7:00 PM. Work may be required in the early evening to complete some of the boreholes near roads, to minimize traffic disruption.

For more information on the geotechnical investigation work in Surrey, please click here

For more information on the geotechnical investigation work in New Westminster, please click here

If you have any questions about this work, please email [email protected] or call the 24/7 construction information phone line: 1-844-815-6149

Updated: In-River Investigation Work near Existing Pattullo Bridge – February 25-29, 2020.

Fraser Crossing Partners, the contractor who will build the new bridge, will undertake some in-river geotechnical investigations near the existing bridge on the Surrey side of the river from February 25-29, 2020. Over the course of the work, you will see a barge and on-board drilling equipment in the river.

Measures will be taken to mitigate noise and we do not anticipate any disruption to local residents or businesses as a result. While drilling, operations will take place 24 hours per day.

The project is complying with all related environmental regulations regarding these works. This work will be undertaken in accordance with a Project Permit issued by the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority authorising the proposed in water works in this location. The study area will be left in its original condition once work is complete.

If you have any questions or comments about this work, please email [email protected] or call 778-379-2481.

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/pattullobridge/whats-happening-now/

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Mininari

If we're building for the future here (50-100 years), then pollution is becoming an irrelevant concern -- we're legislated to be selling only electric vehicles by 2040 in BC, and I would guess the fleet will have a significant mix of EVs, PHEVs, and Hybrids by then. Gasoline-powered cars will fade away to a smaller percentage of the fleet in the years following as they age out.

That said, I think we're going to be seeing more telecommuting / working from home moving forward for those who can do it in their jobs. Those who can't, (e.g. tradespeople) are going to continue to commute by one mode or the other. The expansion of the skytrain network south of the Fraser will also be a good thing in the long term (even if it is Mayor Adam West advocating for it completely against the grain of regional planning).

Doubt telecommuting is going to make a major impact. We'd had 10 years+ before the crisis to try it, and the crisis is showing its limitations if anything.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

i think telecommuting will stick around after the virus. probably not as much as it is being used right now, but even a 10% shift would make a difference. i didn't think i would enjoy working from home much, but i am enjoying it a lot more than i thought i would. and i know at my work we will be doing this 1 week office, 2 weeks home until the end of the year for sure. no matter if there is a vaccine or not.

internet speeds will only get better. an example is recently i got fibre in my house, 1,000mbit speeds and it was cheaper than my 50mbit speeds because of a promotion.

[Cypherus]

DailyHive has project render updates on their recent article:
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/pattullo-bridge-replacement-design


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