YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Xiamen, China Southern and Hainan have definitely been exceeding their allotted limits. Perhaps they are making weekly deals and transferring them between routes. In any event certainly makes for some interesting FR24 viewing.

[nname]

Current AC long-haul plan out of YVR:

HKG - 4x/5x weekly June/July
PVG - 1x weekly June, daily July
ICN - 5x weekly June, daily July
NRT - 4x weekly June, daily July
PEK - daily starting July 1
DEL - restart Aug 1
KIX - full summer suspension
TPE - full summer+winter suspension

SYD - restart Sept 1
BNE - full summer suspension
MEL - full summer suspension

LHR - 4x weekly June, daily July
FRA - 3x weekly July
ZRH - restart Aug 1
DUB - full summer suspension
CDG - full summer suspension

MEX - restart Aug 1
PVR - restart Sept 12


US Routes:
Restart May 22: LAX, SFO
Restart June 22: SEA
Restart July 1: DEN, HNL, LAS
Restart Aug 1: EWR, PHX, PDX, SAN
Restart Sept 8: ORD, DFW, OGG, SMF, SJC

Although not mentioned, SNA is still scheduled to launch on Sept 8 for now.

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/china-travel.html

[s211]

Originally Posted by nname

Current AC long-haul plan out of YVR:

US Routes:
Restart May 22: LAX, SFO
Restart June 22: SEA
Restart July 1: DEN, HNL, LAS
Restart Aug 1: EWR, PHX, PDX, SAN
Restart Sept 8: ORD, DFW, OGG, SMF, SJC

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2020/china-travel.html

Admittedly, I know little about the airline business, and yet it's interesting to see some major US hubs not being served until September. Hopefully some of the US carriers might pick up the gap in the interim?

[nname]

Originally Posted by s211

Admittedly, I know little about the airline business, and yet it's interesting to see some major US hubs not being served until September. Hopefully some of the US carriers might pick up the gap in the interim?

Connect at YYZ or YUL.

For ORD and DFW, the route restarts first in YYZ, then YUL then YVR

Similarly, for LAX and SFO, the route restarts first in YVR, then YYZ, then YUL, then YYC

AC figured there probably won't be any meaningful load if they restart the route from all there hubs at once.

[s211]

Originally Posted by nname

Connect at YYZ or YUL.

For ORD and DFW, the route restarts first in YYZ, then YUL then YVR

Similarly, for LAX and SFO, the route restarts first in YVR, then YYZ, then YUL, then YYC

AC figured there probably won't be any meaningful load if they restart the route from all there hubs at once.

Or fly with another airline! That's hilarious if one from Vancouver wanted to go somewhere in the US that's in a Central or Mountain time zone; the world does not revolve around Toronto (or Montreal for that matter). And I won't connect through Calgary either. I like my old direct and non-stop flights!

[nname]

Originally Posted by s211

Or fly with another airline! That's hilarious if one from Vancouver wanted to go somewhere in the US that's in a Central or Mountain time zone; the world does not revolve around Toronto (or Montreal for that matter). And I won't connect through Calgary either. I like my old direct and non-stop flights!

UA should be resuming YVR-ORD soon (and code-share with AC)

For DFW... try AA? Seems like DFW on AC is one of the worse performing transborder route... always the first one to get suspended.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

i notice they are still building the fuel supply line along the freeway. they seem to be around Bridgeport now. i guess that project wasn't cancelled? it doesn't seem like it would be very necessary anymore though now that there are barely any flights.

[Johnny Aussie]

Just remember nothing is normal right now. I expect more changes/suspensions/cancellations. There doesn’t really appear to be any sort of end of the line yet.

[Nites]

Right now the only direct flights to US airports are SEA, SFO, LAX, and DFW?

[WestCoastEcho]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i notice they are still building the fuel supply line along the freeway. they seem to be around Bridgeport now. i guess that project wasn't cancelled? it doesn't seem like it would be very necessary anymore though now that there are barely any flights.

Right now YVR is heavily constrained by their sources of fuel, and how it's delivered, so having the infrastructure to bring it in in greater volumes and more economically will be a plus.

[zahav]

I agree with Ac's DFW route, it is probably one of the weaker YVR routes, since DFW is such a fortresss hub for AA and they have had this route exclusive for so long. But for their CRA aircraft it doesn't break the bank either.

The thing with infrastructure projects is that they are way more long term, and look past blips. The airline industry has been in tough times so many often, you can't make all decisions based on the current, you have to really look way ahead. The juel line is a necessary imporvement and will be great for them in the long term, would be extremely shortshighted to pause it.

I also have formal confirmation that the Pier D project is restarting and the plan is to finish it as soon as they can, so it will not be a skeleton for long. Whether it is open for service or not I'm not sure, but the construction will be finished.

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by s211

Or fly with another airline! That's hilarious if one from Vancouver wanted to go somewhere in the US that's in a Central or Mountain time zone; the world does not revolve around Toronto (or Montreal for that matter). And I won't connect through Calgary either. I like my old direct and non-stop flights!

You have nothing to worry about on that front. AC has all but abandoned it's YYC hub for the summer. Nothing on the WS front either until late June for now.

WS still has YVR-LAX planned to resume June 26, but subject to change of course.

UA is currently planned to be back in July as far as I can tell.

[excel]

This video shows an Air India 777 at YVR on May 19th. It was a repatriation flight from DEL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6TD31ZLaI

[trofirhen]

I notice that TK inaugural flight to Istanbul has been put back to July 16, as is customary given the current crisis. Hopefully that new route will be implemented with no problem.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by zahav

I agree with Ac's DFW route, it is probably one of the weaker YVR routes, since DFW is such a fortresss hub for AA and they have had this route exclusive for so long. But for their CRA aircraft it doesn't break the bank either.

The thing with infrastructure projects is that they are way more long term, and look past blips. The airline industry has been in tough times so many often, you can't make all decisions based on the current, you have to really look way ahead. The juel line is a necessary imporvement and will be great for them in the long term, would be extremely shortshighted to pause it.

I also have formal confirmation that the Pier D project is restarting and the plan is to finish it as soon as they can, so it will not be a skeleton for long. Whether it is open for service or not I'm not sure, but the construction will be finished.

juel = jet fuel

Ya awesome!

[interrobang]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i notice they are still building the fuel supply line along the freeway. they seem to be around Bridgeport now. i guess that project wasn't cancelled? it doesn't seem like it would be very necessary anymore though now that there are barely any flights.

The project has been in the works since the early 2000's, at least that's when I first got wind of it, and received environmental and project approvals in 2013. It's a long term project, and not owned by the airport itself. It's owned and operated by VAFFC, which is a consortium of about 25 different airlines and operators. They essentially work together to ensure their supply of fuel and not duplicate costs between each other. They also own and operate the existing tank farm. Without the fuel line they are bringing in ~2000 fuel trucks every month. Sure, that's definitely down now, but it will return, and no reason to not ensure a supply when it does.

[Johnny Aussie]

AI paid another visit... a 77L on its way back to DEL now.

BR now using 77Ws on the TPE route again. They were flying 789s. They had one of their Hello Kitty livery 77Ws in 2 days ago.

HU has been flying 333s and 332s mainly but they’ve started using 789s lately. They are currently flying daily PVG-YVR. In addition they are still flying some PEK flights as well.

Xiamen is currently flying daily XMN-YVR.

AC currently operating a 77W from AKL. Lately AC has been flying AKL-YYZ only.

[stiffdeadman]

Don't understand why there would be any resumption of US and international service until the airlines get some idea when Canada and BC are going to lift their respective mandatory 14 day quarantines. Until those are gone, travel outside canada is still pretty much impossible for most people. The way Comrade Trudeau and Horgan are talking those quarantines are never going to be lifted and we will be prisoners inside Canada for the long term.

[Johnny Aussie]

First visit by PR in awhile.

PR 8117 now on its way from BGI. Then on to MNL.

Accompanied by some of the usual frequent visitors MU, CA, MF, HU, BR all in the air now along with a couple of AC heavies from NRT and ICN.

[Johnny Aussie]

KE flew its first flight in awhile for om ICN yesterday. A 333. The normal KE cargo flight was in as well doing the usual GDL-YVR-ICN.

Looks like HU has a 789 flight scheduled to CAN later this evening. Also a second HU 333 to PVG today about to get underway. The first one earlier was the "Hai! MANchester" livery 333.

3U sending its Panda livery 359 again from CTU. Currently on its way.

Both BR and CI from TPE are descending into YVR as I type this. BR back to a 789 for today's flight. CI the normal 359.

Another CX 359 also on its way from HKG.

Meanwhile CZ , MU, NH and W8 all on their way westbound across the Pacific from YVR.

And of course AC has its multiple long haul flights ongoing.

Almost seems normal....