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Old Posted May 12, 2020, 7:35 PM
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I fear it'll be similar to the Robson Safeway which is a huge community dead-zone. I don't recall the floorplans in detail, but I remember being disappointed.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2020, 8:30 PM
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Thanks, Jollyburger.
Yes, thanks for confirming it is a bigger Safeway.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2020, 9:06 PM
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Yes, thanks for confirming it is a bigger Safeway.
-"I'll be right back honey, I'm going to the mini-mall!"

-"What mini-mall?"

"You know, the slightly larger Safeway?"

"WTF?"
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2020, 9:54 PM
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It is not a mini-mall, it is a Safeway. If you want a mini-mall in the West End you can head for the glamour of the Robson Public Market.
What's this talk of a West End mini-mall without mentioning the glory of Denman Place Mall?!

Now that's a mini-mall work talking about. Sure it's old-fashioned as hell, but it's very well used by the local population and operates like a regular mall so it is always fully leased (unlike so many of the vacant Denman Street storefronts, many of which are owned by a single owner).
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2020, 10:02 PM
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You had almost exactly the same retail for the past couple of decades. It was a 1995 Safeway with an in-store Starbucks and a few retail units before. It'll be a slightly bigger 2020 Safeway with an in-store Starbucks and a few retail units afterwards. With rental residential units on top at the same density as the new rental building next door, the new rental building across the street, and the new rental building round the corner.
Why the negativity? This project is clearly much larger/denser than what had been there. The Safeway is significantly larger (by about a third), plus there's the addition of a Scotiabank branch and the return of the liquor store. IIRC there is still some space for lease, but don't quote me on that.

The surface parking lot between the former Safeway and Liquor store was essentially absorbed into new retail space. This, combined with the newly built retail space at 1188 Bidwell next door, along with much wider sidewalks, results in a wholly remade block that the West End has not seen until now.

It's almost surprisingly 'oversized' for the area. I said ALMOST.
     
     
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Old Posted May 13, 2020, 12:40 AM
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Why the negativity? This project is clearly much larger/denser than what had been there. The Safeway is significantly larger (by about a third), plus there's the addition of a Scotiabank branch and the return of the liquor store. IIRC there is still some space for lease, but don't quote me on that.

The surface parking lot between the former Safeway and Liquor store was essentially absorbed into new retail space. This, combined with the newly built retail space at 1188 Bidwell next door, along with much wider sidewalks, results in a wholly remade block that the West End has not seen until now.

It's almost surprisingly 'oversized' for the area. I said ALMOST.
I'm not negative about the development. It's a big lot, so it can take two towers. I think adding the residential is great for the West End - especially as rental. There are three 'pockets' of development that have been developed as a result of the West End Plan. This cluster of towers is one. There's a full block with three towers up Davie (Mirabel and Jervis), and there's the block and a third with the Landmark and GWL Rental towers on Robson. There are lots of other clusters proposed, but we might be a long time before we see those built. I don't count the Butterfly, as it was around as a proposal before the Plan.

The lot next door, and the former parking lot for London Drug across the street are smaller, so they could obviously only take a single tower, but they've actually added more density than this project, as they were very underdeveloped. They're all being built at very similar densities. The old Safeway store was tired (even though it was a 1990s building), and the new one will be bigger. I'm not sure that it represents such a change that it will attract significantly more shoppers than the previous store, even if it is a third bigger. It's the same brand, and there's the existing Robson & Denman store that's not ancient, and I think is almost exactly the same size as the new one. This project is supposed to also have the relocated liquor store, so that will attract shoppers, but again there's no reason that it'll be a lot more than the liquor store that was next door before - although I think the replacement is larger. The Starbucks is Starbucks. There's one other store, and apparently it's a bank (for now) - I think there used to be three, including a hairdresser.

It'll be better having a wider sidewalk, but I don't think that's going to increase the number of people who come here. So it's good to see the West End Plan come to fruition, and add rental units, but I don't see the new retail as a huge change over what was here before - more a refresh. It's certainly not a mall!
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Old Posted May 13, 2020, 7:15 AM
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You sound triggered ...
Yeah, Vin didn't say it was a mini-mall.
He said "the podium is essentially the size of a mini-mall"
ie increasing retail mass in the area.

... and note that his original post has not been edited.
     
     
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Old Posted May 13, 2020, 3:36 PM
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Yeah, Vin didn't say it was a mini-mall.
He said "the podium is essentially the size of a mini-mall"
ie increasing retail mass in the area.

... and note that his original post has not been edited.
My point exactly. It's comparable in "size" to a mini-mall. I walked by last evening and the podium with Safeway takes up nearly the whole length of the block. I've lived in this neighbourhood for 34 years and I feel the difference.

This new development looks great, and adding several hundred new apartments along the Davie corridor from Jervis down, will most certainly increase the volume of shoppers in that area.

FWIW, the Safeway at Robson/Denman was mentioned above by Changing City, and while the plans may be on hold now, it was largely rumoured to be redeveloped once this store was complete. COVID and other prior market conditions may have put paid this to plan for now, but not forever. I expect this will become the primary grocery store in the West End.

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Are we all done freaking out over a comparison to a mini mall?
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My point exactly. It's comparable in "size" to a mini-mall. I walked by last evening and the podium with Safeway takes up nearly the whole length of the block. I've lived in this neighbourhood for 34 years and I feel the difference.

This new development looks great, and adding several hundred new apartments along the Davie corridor from Jervis down, will most certainly increase the volume of shoppers in that area.

FWIW, the Safeway at Robson/Denman was mentioned above by Changing City, and while the plans may be on hold now, it was largely rumoured to be redeveloped once this store was complete. COVID and other prior market conditions may have put paid this to plan for now, but not forever. I expect this will become the primary grocery store in the West End.

Someone bought the air parcel about that Safeway for $23.5 million in 2013

https://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2013/01/29/robson-retail-sold-for-23-5-million/
     
     
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Old Posted May 13, 2020, 5:41 PM
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Someone bought the air parcel about that Safeway for $23.5 million in 2013

https://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2013/01/29/robson-retail-sold-for-23-5-million/
Are you sure that's what they sold? There's a quoted cap rate, and the link says it consists of 3 retail units, so I think Safeway sold an air right parcel that consists of the CIBC, Vancity and their store for $23.5 million. If that's right, there's presumably also a lease-back as part of the deal. Safeway presumably retained the land lot.
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Are you sure that's what they sold? There's a quoted cap rate, and the link says it consists of 3 retail units, so I think Safeway sold an air right parcel that consists of the CIBC, Vancity and their store for $23.5 million. If that's right, there's presumably also a lease-back as part of the deal. Safeway presumably retained the land lot.
I believe that sale only related to an airspace parcel containing VanCity, CIBC and the BCL.

Crombie REIT owns the Safeway portion.

Which makes sense given that Vancouvermarket says that it is "shadow anchored by Safeway"
     
     
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Old Posted May 14, 2020, 4:42 PM
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I believe that sale only related to an airspace parcel containing VanCity, CIBC and the BCL.

Crombie REIT owns the Safeway portion.

Which makes sense given that Vancouvermarket says that it is "shadow anchored by Safeway"
The Crombie page only mentions Safeway as a tenant.

So it's for the retail units but since the Safeway overhangs it, technically it's an air space parcel?
     
     
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Old Posted May 14, 2020, 4:45 PM
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I believe that sale only related to an airspace parcel containing VanCity, CIBC and the BCL.

Crombie REIT owns the Safeway portion.

Which makes sense given that Vancouvermarket says that it is "shadow anchored by Safeway"
That makes sense; thanks. So someone bought the ground floor air right parcel with the 3 stores, (2 banks and the liquor store) and Crombie retained the Safeway parcel above. That would seem to make any redevelopment of that store much more complicated, and so unlikely?
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Are we all done freaking out over a comparison to a mini mall?
No one is freaking out except Changing_City, Whatnext and JalepenoChips. Ask them that rhetorical question again.

Everyone else seems to be excited about the increased density, including the larger commercial space, for the Safeway development here. This should be emulated elsewhere in the downtown area, as well as Kitsilano and West Broadway.
     
     
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Info sheet in my mail today from Pacific Northern Developments about its proposed rezoning for a 47 story tower at the corner of Barclay and Thurlow. Virtual open house is May 21-23 but website open now, with some illustrations of the proposal.

http://www.barclaythurlow.com
     
     
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Info sheet in my mail today from Pacific Northern Developments about its proposed rezoning for a 47 story tower at the corner of Barclay and Thurlow. Virtual open house is May 21-23 but website open now, with some illustrations of the proposal.

http://www.barclaythurlow.com
Thanks - interesting that they would pursue this project now, but I guess there's no harm from their perspective in getting a rezoning. The site value is already through the roof after Bosa and Westbank sold to Grand World Holdings for $113m in 2018, assuming this is the same site.
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Keeps Pooni busy. Glad this made it into the next stage. Think that's at least 5 new towers between Nelson and Robson between Thurlow & Burrard.
     
     
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Info sheet in my mail today from Pacific Northern Developments about its proposed rezoning for a 47 story tower at the corner of Barclay and Thurlow. Virtual open house is May 21-23 but website open now, with some illustrations of the proposal.

http://www.barclaythurlow.com

Some of the renderings from the website:







Source: https://www.barclaythurlow.com/proposal-information
     
     
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Thanks - interesting that they would pursue this project now, but I guess there's no harm from their perspective in getting a rezoning. The site value is already through the roof after Bosa and Westbank sold to Grand World Holdings for $113m in 2018, assuming this is the same site.
So Grand World Holdings is spearheading this under the guise of the much more Canadian-sounding Pacific Northern Developments?
     
     
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