O-Train Line 2/4 [Stage 2 | Greenboro to Limebank/Airport] | In Service

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

City has also posted a short T-Line Airport Link construction article and 50 sec. video

https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-developmen...tion-taking-ottawa-international-airport



EnJoy!

Thanks! That is one poor quality video.

The three train transfer was embarrassing a few months ago, but considering how Covid-19 will impact the aviation industry, maybe its best that way.

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[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

For both Gladstone and Carling, it talks about rock excavation. I assume that for Gladstone, that means widening the trench to double track. I know they won't be double tracking Carling, but will they take the opportunity to widen that section of the trench as well?

The platform extension will require some rock clearing north of the existing platform. Definitely worth keeping a close eye on the area to see if any other clearing is done though...

For Carling to Greenboro, do they need to demolish the platforms? Why can't they just add the new segment? Platform heating?

From a maintenance perspective, it's probably also in TNEXT's interests to replace what is otherwise a several year old concrete platform which has seen a considerable amount of salt.

Hopefully all the new platforms get the heating treatment.

[OCCheetos]

That's a surprising amount of shelter being offered at that station. The covered area at the north end seems almost unnecessary considering the enclosed waiting area, and the fact that trains will probably dwell there for several minutes at a time. And are those doors on that glass-enclosed area on the north end? Happy to see the futureproofing for extending the platform is still there too.

Not too bad to be honest.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

That's a surprising amount of shelter being offered at that station. The covered area at the north end seems almost unnecessary considering the enclosed waiting area, and the fact that trains will probably dwell there for several minutes at a time. And are those doors on that glass-enclosed area on the north end? Happy to see the futureproofing for extending the platform is still there too.

Not too bad to be honest.

Those doors at leading to the glass enclosed area are an access to the emergency exist stairs.

You can see better on this image (the stairs, that is).


https://www.otrainfans.ca/trillium-stations/airport-link/airport

Overall, it's not a bad station at all, but I still would have preferred an enclosed station like Vancouver. But as you say, with the enclosed waiting area (like an airport lounge), passengers don't have to wait on the platform for the train; they only have to get out once the train arrives.


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-international-airport-translink-transport-2050

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

For both Gladstone and Carling, it talks about rock excavation. I assume that for Gladstone, that means widening the trench to double track. I know they won't be double tracking Carling, but will they take the opportunity to widen that section of the trench as well?

I assume for Carling they are just excavating what is required for extending the platform northward and for providing any new vertical circulation required (elevators & stairs).

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Those doors at leading to the glass enclosed area are an access to the emergency exist stairs.

You can see better on this image (the stairs, that is).

https://www.otrainfans.ca/trillium-stations/airport-link/airport

Overall, it's not a bad station at all, but I still would have preferred an enclosed station like Vancouver. But as you say, with the enclosed waiting area (like an airport lounge), passengers don't have to wait on the platform for the train; they only have to get out once the train arrives.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-international-airport-translink-transport-2050

There are two additional doors here:

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

There are two additional doors here:

Here's the original rendering. It looks like they shifted the platform further in to take advantage of the "lounge" area roof line. That box with the two doors could be the Transecure area maybe?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

The platform extension will require some rock clearing north of the existing platform. Definitely worth keeping a close eye on the area to see if any other clearing is done though...

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

I assume for Carling they are just excavating what is required for extending the platform northward and for providing any new vertical circulation required (elevators & stairs).

That somehow hadn't crossed my mind.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Here's the original rendering. It looks like they shifted the platform further in to take advantage of the "lounge" area roof line. That box with the two doors could be the Transecure area maybe?

I think it looks almost more like they shifted the "waiting area" towards the platform and used a more narrow bridge to connect it to the waiting area.

Maybe it was a requirement, but having a transecure area and the terminal waiting area seems redundant. Either way, having doors to access the area is still unusual.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I think it looks almost more like they shifted the "waiting area" towards the platform and used a more narrow bridge to connect it to the waiting area.

Maybe it was a requirement, but having a transecure area and the terminal waiting area seems redundant. Either way, having doors to access the area is still unusual.

Oh yeah. In the original rendering, the "waiting area" was like an extension of the airport terminal, now it's linked with a pedestrian skywalk.

I agree, the Transecure area is redundant in this case. And this being the only station I've seen so far with an enclosed Transecure area, it seems even more ridiculous considering the enclosed "waiting area", though they might have done that with all Trillium Stage 2 stations since passengers have to wait 12 minutes as opposed to 3 to 5 minutes along Line 1 during the day.

[OCCheetos]

Another thing I forgot to mention in an earlier reply:

If the line was electrified then there would be almost no excuse not to fully enclose the station, but since it's still diesel... those fumes would not only stink up the place but leave a lot of soot on the ceiling. Just look at the Albert Street bridge, and that was in an open-air area!

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Another thing I forgot to mention in an earlier reply:

If the line was electrified then there would be almost no excuse not to fully enclose the station, but since it's still diesel... those fumes would not only stink up the place but leave a lot of soot on the ceiling. Just look at the Albert Street bridge, and that was in an open-air area!

Good point. Whenever it is electrified, nothing will stop the airport from enclosing the rest of the station if they chose to do so.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Good point. Whenever it is electrified, nothing will stop the airport from enclosing the rest of the station if they chose to do so.

The best option in any case would probably to close the platform and have platform edge doors like UPX. Very expensive though, of course.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

The best option in any case would probably to close the platform and have platform edge doors like UPX. Very expensive though, of course.

True. But with two types of vehicles (not on the airport spur for many years still, but on the main line), that wouldn't be possible.

[roger1818]

I wonder if they ever considered electrifying the Airport spur only, and running single Citadis Spirits along that branch?

[TheMatth69]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I wonder if they ever considered electrifying the Airport spur only, and running single Citadis Spirits along that branch?

They are building the spur line to heavy rail standards, so even if they did so, Citadis trains wouldn't be able to run on it. Plus the Spur line shares track with the main line so then again you can't run light rail trains like the Citadis with heavy European rail trains like the Stadler trains.

If electrification there is the Trillium line will run with Electric Stadler trains, the same we're going to have but without the power pack and probably 25000v AC voltage or 3000v DC like they have in Switzerland.
Our Citadis Spirits run on 1500v DC which is also heavy rail voltage but very uncommon outside of France and Netherlands the only countries using this specific voltage at a wide scale.

[OCCheetos]

Some things in the audio of today's presentation that I noted which weren't explicitly stated in the slides:

Dow's Lake tunnel is apparently going to get cell coverage?

Double tracking will stretch from Bayview to Beech Street which is very much like what is shown in the "sample" data on GeoOttawa. Rock blasting is described as taking place "between Carling and Gladstone" so there may still be hope for enough rock to be blasted so that there is room for a future second platform... Otherwise I'm mostly worried about how the Brookfield siding will look compared to what's on GeoOttawa since that was apparently shortened by TNEXT in the proposal.


This is apparently the finalized livery for the FLIRTs. I still prefer the original one that Stadler came up with, but this does look like an improvement over the last one they showed (the red is nicer).


The interior... could be worse. I was hoping for more grab poles, but the vehicle body looks wider and the handles attached to the seats do look marginally more inviting than the ones on both the LINTs and Citadis.

Neat display screens too.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by sseguin

You can view on O-Train Fans the Confederation Line & Stage 2 LRT Update - City Council - May 13, 2020

https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/confederation-line-stage-2-lrt-update-city-council-may-13-2020

Flyover video of construction progress O-Train Stage 2, Confederation Line 1 and Trillium Line 2.

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[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Some things in the audio of today's presentation that I noted which weren't explicitly stated in the slides:

Dow's Lake tunnel is apparently going to get cell coverage?

Double tracking will stretch from Bayview to Beech Street which is very much like what is shown in the "sample" data on GeoOttawa. Rock blasting is described as taking place "between Carling and Gladstone" so there may still be hope for enough rock to be blasted so that there is room for a future second platform... Otherwise I'm mostly worried about how the Brookfield siding will look compared to what's on GeoOttawa since that was apparently shortened by TNEXT in the proposal.


This is apparently the finalized livery for the FLIRTs. I still prefer the original one that Stadler came up with, but this does look like an improvement over the last one they showed (the red is nicer).

The interior... could be worse. I was hoping for more grab poles, but the vehicle body looks wider and the handles attached to the seats do look marginally more inviting than the ones on both the LINTs and Citadis.

Neat display screens too.

Here's the previous rendering released:


https://twitter.com/OTrainFans613/status/1171436168358977543

The new livery has more red at the front. They toned down the maple leaf.

I'm a fan of the exterior. Looks much better on the Stadler than the Citadis, maybe because the "swoosh" is complete.

As for the interior, I feel like the City sees this train as a commuter train for the south suburbs and not a metro for the urban area, hence the big comfortable seats. Doesn't look like they thought much about passengers form the airport.

[J.OT13]

Have we seen this rendering before?