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Old Posted Apr 20, 2020, 7:41 PM
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2020, 11:11 PM
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Thanks.

Note the double skin on the parkade podium at 777 Hornby in the pic above.

Pics by me today:

Trees and 2 hexagonal planters removed from the plaza:



2x4s being added to the windows. Not sure why.
That suggests that the window is staying in place OR ...
the precast + window unit needs reinforcement for removal (?)
(they would have been separate when installed)
I'm hoping the latter, but doubt that'll happen.



Nordstrom is all boarded up now (same with H&M):


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Old Posted Apr 21, 2020, 3:43 AM
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In the case of Pacific Centre, the loss of the public plazas was in exchange for siting the Canada Line station (and bike facility?) on the mall property.
There should be a post back in this thread about it.
Another article said they took on some of the costs for the station entrance being built on their property as well.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...rotunda-swapped-out-for-new-storefronts/
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2020, 3:56 AM
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Also, the closure of the atrium in the Dunsumir expansion (Holts) also included something about a future public benefit to the city also in relation to the City Centre Canada Line station.

https://council.vancouver.ca/20061114/documents/ph4.pdf

Photos of the old atrium in this City report:

https://council.vancouver.ca/20050915/documents/p4.pdf
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2020, 4:18 AM
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The mall, itself, seems so much smaller without that atrium.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2020, 5:17 AM
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The mall, itself, seems so much smaller without that atrium.
Yeah, it's a pretty bad low-ceiling dead-end at Holt Renfrew if you go through the underpass, but they did extend it through Sears to Robson St. (which I never pass through, for whatever reason (just habit, I guess))

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Also, the closure of the atrium in the Dunsumir expansion (Holts) also included something about a future public benefit to the city also in relation to the City Centre Canada Line station.

https://council.vancouver.ca/20061114/documents/ph4.pdf
That's the one! thanks for posting.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2020, 4:51 AM
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Demolition underway for CF Pacific Centre's iconic glass dome (PHOTOS)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/pacific-centre-rotunda-glass-dome
Note: ICONIC!!!
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Note: ICONIC!!!
Apparently the replacement will look just like the Chicago Apple Store that is also ICONIC.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2020, 5:01 AM
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Apparently the replacement will look just like the Chicago Apple Store that is also ICONIC.
Majority of commenters on FB say they are sad and disappointed to see the glass dome go. This is not unlike replacing the old Hotel Vancouver with the Eatons Urinal.

Wow that Chicago one is also one huge ugly block of architectural shame. "Iconic" indeed.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2020, 10:44 PM
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Pics by me tday:

The entire north side is being dug up (probably for membrane replacement).
The sidewalk in from of the 701 entrance has been ripped up already.



More windows at the former Four Seasons with wood bracing:

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My issue with losing the rotunda and the one at Hastings and Seymour is the gradual erosion of public amenity space not the structures themselves. Both of them provided a public amenity space (In the case of Pacific Centre the outdoor space) that were part of the the original development permits of each project. Now years later we are seeing those spaces redeveloped and that space disappearing. The city should be obligating them to at the very least replace that sqftage at a 1 to 1 ratio in the same immediate area or even increase it to account for the new development taking place. Arguing that there is the plaza across the street is devious. We should always fight to retain as much publicly accessible space as possible and we can do that while still allowing the private sector flexibility.
Like Office Dweller noted after your post, while the space was originally public space, it was swapped with the plaza outside of 725 Granville with the City to facilitate the Canada Line station and associated plaza.

CF originally had a development planned for that 725 granville plaza which was cancelled and mvoed over to the rotunda space when that swap was agreed to.

I personally think having a plaza on Granville makes more sense given the pedestrian nature of Granville and the already existing Art Gallery plaza kitty corner to the old rotunda, making the public space at the rotunda a bit redundant.

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Majority of commenters on FB say they are sad and disappointed to see the glass dome go. This is not unlike replacing the old Hotel Vancouver with the Eatons Urinal.

Wow that Chicago one is also one huge ugly block of architectural shame. "Iconic" indeed.
Well if the brain trust of Facebook says so....

The good news Vin is that the low quality rotunda is being demolished and replaced with a beautiful retail pavilion with high quality materials.

Cry about it all you want, it's happening.
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...the low quality rotunda is being demolished and replaced with a beautiful retail pavilion with high quality materials.
i hope it is still coming after this virus thing. i did like the lights in the trees around the rotunda, but i quite like the not-an-apple-store store design. plus it should be quite high quality.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2020, 7:53 PM
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Well if the brain trust of Facebook says so....

The good news Vin is that the low quality rotunda is being demolished and replaced with a beautiful retail pavilion with high quality materials.

Cry about it all you want, it's happening.
Quality my foot! In no time it would be compared to the Urinal also known as Eaton Centre. Everything looks decent when newly built, but this boring structure would not withstand the test of time.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/apple-store-pacific-centre-vancouver-july-2019

As for FB, at least it shows the good number of people who appreciate the glass rotunda, and not necessarily coming from someone who has a monetary interest in it, such as yourself?
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...coming from someone who has a monetary interest in it, such as yourself?
Oh god, have we reached the point where we have rotunda truthers?
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Quality my foot! In no time it would be compared to the Urinal also known as Eaton Centre. Everything looks decent when newly built, but this boring structure would not withstand the test of time.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/apple-store-pacific-centre-vancouver-july-2019
Did you read the Daily Hive piece you provided the link to? The Downtown Vancouver BIA president and CEO said “Cadillac Fairview’s redevelopment of this iconic corner at Georgia and Howe streets, with the addition of new retail space, speaks volumes about its confidence in and commitment to downtown.” So it's not the ageing rotunda that's iconic, it's the corner. And good news - the corner will still be there when the iconic new building is completed.
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Old Posted May 1, 2020, 3:12 AM
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Like Office Dweller noted after your post, while the space was originally public space, it was swapped with the plaza outside of 725 Granville with the City to facilitate the Canada Line station and associated plaza.

CF originally had a development planned for that 725 granville plaza which was cancelled and mvoed over to the rotunda space when that swap was agreed to.

I personally think having a plaza on Granville makes more sense given the pedestrian nature of Granville and the already existing Art Gallery plaza kitty corner to the old rotunda, making the public space at the rotunda a bit redundant.
LeftCoaster, I appreciate that CF gave up space for the Canada Line station and there is no argument it's not a worthy public amenity, was the plaza where the canada line is, not already a designated public amenity though from the development of Eatons and the TD tower? I could be wrong about that as its before my time slightly. If it was then the public has still lost space and CF altered the terms of the original dp. And the lose of the rotunda at Hastings and Seymour is harder to argue that the public hasnt lost out to the benefit of the developer. As you know I'm not a nimby and am well aware how my bread gets buttered but feel the developer community ultimately benefits from having quality public amenites everywhere.
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I think everyone is getting the solid issue of semi-public privately owned spaces and full-on public space...
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Before my time in Vancouver, can safely say that's a way more appealing looking VAG than what we have today after millions in plaza work last few years.

What the heck is up with that?
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Old Posted May 1, 2020, 9:56 PM
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Failure of the City, VAG and PavCo to upkeep the area and/or prohibt use of it as a demonstration/protest space.
That lead to degradation of the grass into mud and replacement with bark chips.
Then the fountain and trees got in the way of using the space as a protest square
(leaky fountain unto underground storage could have been fixed with the new membrane, so i call that a red herring).

Couple that with modernist designers who like clean spaces (indoor and out) devoid of anything.

...so look to Oppenheimer Park being redesigned as a campground and trailer park.
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Old Posted May 4, 2020, 12:37 AM
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