YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Not one to post too many schedule updates these days because as soon as one hits “post” further changes usually occur.. in any event.

With the Canada US border closing AC also suspending all transborder ops until June.

YVR will have two daily to SEA on DL one daily to SEA on AS and one daily to DFW on AA. Of course they may be dropped as well.

The rest of western Canada has 4 weekly DL YEG-MSP and 5 weekly DL YYC-MSP and one daily AA YYC-DFW.... and that’s it for May as of now.

[nname]

Starting from next week (Apr 28), China Southern will uses A380 for their weekly flight CAN-YVR.

So the government wants to reduce international passengers by reducing frequency? The airlines uses the biggest plane available to carry as many passengers as they can...

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Starting from next week (Apr 28), China Southern will uses A380 for their weekly flight CAN-YVR.

So the government wants to reduce international passengers by reducing frequency? The airlines uses the biggest plane available to carry as many passengers as they can...

Yet some routes are still more than one per week. Whether it’s cargo only or not... still flying quite a few intl flights to China.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by nname

Starting from next week (Apr 28), China Southern will uses A380 for their weekly flight CAN-YVR.

So the government wants to reduce international passengers by reducing frequency? The airlines uses the biggest plane available to carry as many passengers as they can...

Ahh 380.

[zahav]

YVR isn't even listed on this list of destinations at all, A380 or otherwise. Did they make an error leaving it out of the post?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...-international-operations-as-of-21apr20/

[Johnny Aussie]

Those lists of late haven’t been very accurate.. whether cargo only or not some airlines flying multiple weekly flights using their normal flight numbers to both SYD and MEL in Australia. So the one flight per week “rule” - there’s more to it than that. CA, CZ and MU have all flown to MEL and SYD this week (for example).
In any event YVR is seeing quite a lot of flight activity to China and Asia in general.
Hope you are all coping ok with this. We are doing fine downunder!

[thenoflyzone]

^

OH.MY.GOD.

And I'm the one who posts useless comments, so he says ! It's been over a week he's blabbering on about the same shit, even calling it a rumor, when a simple google search would have given him the answer.

Cargo flights are exempt from the 1 weekly rule. From the horse's mouth.

http://www.caac.gov.cn/en/XWZX/202003/t20200326_201748.html

Notice on Further Reducing International Passenger Flights during the Epidemic Prevention and Control Period

March 26, 2020

To All Transport Airlines：

In order to resolutely contain the increasing risks of imported COVID-19 cases, and in accordance with the requirements of the State Council for joint prevention and control of the epidemic, it is decided to further reduce the number of international passenger flights. Details of the requirement are as follows:

1. On the basis of the Information on International Flight Plans (Phase Five) released on the official website of CAAC on March 12, each Chinese airline is only allowed to maintain one route to any specific country with no more than one flight per week; each foreign airline is only allowed to maintain one route to China with no more than one weekly flight.

2. Airlines shall, in accordance with the requirements above, apply for Pre-Flight plans to the Operation Supervisory Center of CAAC in advance.

3. The Operating Permits and take-off/landing slots, etc. associated with the flights cut by airlines in accordance with requirements of this Notice will be retained.

4. Airlines shall strictly implement the latest edition of Preventing Spread of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Guideline for Airlines issued by the Office of China Civil Aviation Prevention and Control COVID-19 Leading Group, take stringent prevention and control measures on the flights to/from China and ensure passenger load factor no higher than 75%.

5. In accordance with the need for epidemic containment, CAAC may issue policy to further reduce the total number of international passenger flights. Airlines therefore are required to closely follow information released, analyze the situation and make contingency plans in advance, and handle in a proper way the issues such as extension and refund of sold air tickets, etc.

6. Airlines may operate all-cargo flights with passenger aircraft, which will not be counted against the total number of passenger flights operated.

7. Flight plans adjusted by airlines in accordance with paragraph 1 of this Notice shall be implemented as of March 29, 2020.

8. This Notice shall take effect on the date of its issuance, and the expiration date will be notified separately. As of the date of taking effect of this Notice, the Notice MHF [2020] No. 11 issued by CAAC shall become invalid.

Civil Aviation Administration of China

Can someone pls tell the douchebag above.......

[Johnny Aussie]

AC flying a couple more extra sections (789s).
AC7151 to NRT and AC7202 from HKG flying right now.
Another Hainan from PVG on the way as well (not even their normal route).

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

AC flying a couple more extra sections (789s).
AC7151 to NRT and AC7202 from HKG flying right now.
Another Hainan from PVG on the way as well (not even their normal route).

Normally AC7000-7500 are reposition flights
And seems like cargo flights are in the 22xx range, and extra passenger flights are 199x (Rouge) and 20xx (mainline)

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

^

OH.MY.GOD.

And I'm the one who posts useless comments, so he says ! It's been over a week he's blabbering on about the same shit, even calling it a rumor, when a simple google search would have given him the answer.

Cargo flights are exempt from the 1 weekly rule. From the horse's mouth.

http://www.caac.gov.cn/en/XWZX/202003/t20200326_201748.html



Can someone pls tell the douchebag above.......

Please, man, I'll admit to having disagreed with people on the site, but language like that is really useemly, really low .... let's please keep it civil.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Please, man, I'll admit to having disagreed with people on the site, but language like that is really useemly, really low .... let's please keep it civil.

When it comes to him, that's as civil as I can be. If you don't like it, you can block me as well. But then, just like him, you'll be missing out on proper info.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Normally AC7000-7500 are reposition flights
And seems like cargo flights are in the 22xx range, and extra passenger flights are 199x (Rouge) and 20xx (mainline)

If those are just repositioning flights one would hope they are least carrying cargo knowing there is a huge demand for that right now. May as well generate some revenue.

AC currently flying 2 789s to HKG the normal AC7 and AC2287 (one of the cargo flights I assume).

MU currently operating its 5th YVR-PVG flight in the last 7 days.
KE currently operating its 3rd YVR-ICN freighter this week.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

When it comes to him, that's as civil as I can be. If you don't like it, you can block me as well. But then, just like him, you'll be missing out on proper info.

As you wish, but personally speaking, I would not allow my feelings to lead me to call people disgusting names. Johnny does provide some great insights into aviation at SSP YVR.

[Johnny Aussie]

Current activity:
Cargojet appears to be running a 763F on YVR-NRT daily at the moment.
NZ’s first 789 from AKL in while on its way. They had been running mainly 77Ws for their NZ-YVR-FRA flights. This flight is numbered 66XX so unsure if it’s going on to FRA, somewhere else or just turning around.
AC currently flying two 789 flights to SYD (one from YVR and one from YYZ via LAX)
BR definitely running flights 5x per week on the YVR-TPE route (was supposed to be only 2-3 per week).
MF also is operating its 4th flight this week from XMN.
... and plenty more - CX, KE cargo, and more AC heavies atm.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

BR definitely running flights 5x per week on the YVR-TPE route (was supposed to be only 2-3 per week).

Hmm... there was a BR 78X here last week...

Starting from next week for the month of May, BR will reduce all remaining long-haul destinations (YVR, YYZ, LAX, SFO, SEA, IAH, JFK, ORD, CDG) to 1x weekly.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Hmm... there was a BR 78X here last week...

Starting from next week for the month of May, BR will reduce all remaining long-haul destinations (YVR, YYZ, LAX, SFO, SEA, IAH, JFK, ORD, CDG) to 1x weekly.

A lot of airlines are flying many more flights than what’s been “scheduled” lately. Perhaps extra flights above and beyond what’s scheduled.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

A lot of airlines are flying many more flights than what’s been “scheduled” lately. Perhaps extra flights above and beyond what’s scheduled.

Must be a scheduling nightmare for all involved.

[thenoflyzone]

All the extra flying is cargo.

Tremendous amount of cargo is carried in the belly of widebody passenger flights. With passenger flights down 90%, the all cargo fleets (FedEx, UPS, DHL etc) can't cope with the demand, so it's only normal that passenger airlines utilize their aircraft for cargo runs. Hence why AC, as an example, converted some B77Ws to an all freighter config.

The cargojet YVR-NRT runs continue onto PVG. Same as AC. NRT is simply a crew change station. YVR is most likely a fuel stop, as the B763F, with max payload, only has a 6,000-6,400 km range. Far less than the MD11s, B747Fs or B77Fs. (6000 km is not even enough for NRT-YVR, btw, so cargojet can't even go max payload out of NRT back to YVR)

After getting fuel in YVR, cargojet continues onto YHM, which is their main sorting hub.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

As you wish, but personally speaking, I would not allow my feelings to lead me to call people disgusting names. Johnny does provide some great insights into aviation at SSP YVR.

Pretty sure he has you blocked as well. So obviously he doesn't give a fuck about your "personal speaking". Us others do, however, even though sometimes you keep asking the same questions over and over again.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Must be a scheduling nightmare for all involved.

I would assume to a point. However with very little fleet utilisation at the moment some airlines are using maybe 10% of their fleets. So many aircraft being parked too hard to keep track.

The schedule lists being published by Airlineroute are not accurate lately. Changes and last minutes adds, cuts and last minute route changes are happening often. What’s actually happening (using FR24 as an example) and what’s being published on Airlineroute not even close in some cases. Each country is establishing their own restrictions so it’s not cut and dry in most cases. Whether the flights are passenger aircraft, cargo, repatriation or ferry flights...?

YVR definitely seeing plenty of Canadian and foreign heavies.

[whatnext]

Cargo is definitely the name of the game right now:

HALIFAX and MONTREAL, April 24, 2020 /CNW Telbec/ - Chorus Aviation Inc. ("Chorus") and its subsidiary Jazz Aviation LP ("Jazz") announced today that Jazz and Air Canada, through its freight division Air Canada Cargo, will begin operating the recently approved Dash 8-400 Simplified Package Freighter developed by De Havilland Canada to short and medium haul markets under the Air Canada Express banner. These reconfigured aircraft will carry a total of 18,000 lbs [8,165 kg] of cargo in the passenger cabin and belly.

"De Havilland Canada's Dash 8-400 Simplified Package Freighter will allow us to redeploy aircraft, while contributing to the collective fight against COVID-19 by supporting our customer, Air Canada, in the delivery of essential cargo," said Randolph deGooyer, President, Jazz Aviation LP.

"This aircraft will allow us to provide critical cargo lift on short and medium-haul routes that have been impacted by the reduction of passenger flights," said Tim Strauss, Vice-President Air Canada Cargo. "The converted cabin, which can accommodate a cargo volume of 1,150 cubic feet is perfectly suited to loose load cargo like medical supplies, PPE and other goods needed to support the ongoing fight against COVID-19."...

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/ja...ed-by-de-havilland-canada-862056400.html

I would imagine AC has an advantage over WS in the cargo field, as it has been a big part of their business for so long.