PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread X

[acenturi]

Originally Posted by Jawnadelphia

Phenomenal pic of Philly, I thought worth sharing:

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B-lIll-DDlV/

Oh how the mighty have fallen (City Hall)

[PHL10]

Since there’s not much construction to discuss, I’m going to indulge in some musings. I was driving down Vine Street this morning (east bound) and between 15th and 16th street in looking north across the express way cut, it almost appear that the 676 cloverleaf was a park considering it now framed (and will be further framed) by the Hanover Development backing onto 15th Street and the Hamilton looing behind it. I think that use of space, which is basically a City block as an on/off ramp, is going to seem like a bigger waster of space as time goes on especially if something gets built at 16th and Callowhill.

[Groundhog]

How about this as something to discuss?

A recently released report indicates that Philadelphia's strength in the office market will enable it to withstand the economic downturn caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.bisnow.com/philadelphia/news...t-can-withstand-economic-slowdown-103874

That's as good of news as we can expect in this day and age.

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

How about this as something to discuss?



https://www.bisnow.com/philadelphia/news...t-can-withstand-economic-slowdown-103874

That's as good of news as we can expect in this day and age.

Considering the main drivers of Philadelphia's economy, it has been previously speculated on this site that the city was in a better position than most to emerge from this in reasonably good shape. It's great to see expert analysis seems to agree. Good news is especially welcome these days.

[TK2001]

Originally Posted by acenturi

Oh how the mighty have fallen (City Hall)

Believe it or not it actually still stands out well from certain angles

[cardeza]

Originally Posted by Failte

Lots of non-social distancing though in Center City yesterday (Saturday) from a no protection, close-in cluster of 15-20 Black Israelites on Market Street, to lots of no proction wearing people congregating and hanging on Municipal Plaza (where the Rizzo statue is). Police doing nothing about it.

Then the forcibily removed SEPTA bus rider resulting in SEPTA no longer requiring face coverings. Of course the video has gone viral about repression in the U.S. One selfish idiot has now allowed further spread on transit and into the general community; at least 3 SEPTA workers have died from the Wuhan Flu.

Despite many residents doing what they're supposed to do, many aren't and are only contributing to prolonging all of us being stuck inside. Don't expect the Philly PD to be on this issue.

Then there's the additional excuses of ''this is a hoax'' and ''black males won't wear masks cuz they'll be profiled'' stories.

It's a bit too late for Mayor Kenney and Larry Krasner to ask residents to respect authority/police.

This is the time for everyone to be "All In''. This is life and death after all.

stay home. You wont get it. Problem solved.

[City Wide]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/...philadelphia/ar-BB10QN11?ocid=spartanntp

This article is approx. 5 wks old, but going forward the State will probably try something like the Keystone Zone program again. I wonder what the State and gov't in general can do that would be successful, but without just being large handouts to those who are already doing well off.

[TK2001]

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[Jelly Roll]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

I'm thinking they can social distance these construction workers doing different tasks 6 ft or more apart with face masks, temperature checks before enter worksites, and self-monitoring of symptoms and quick testing if necessary. These aren't the large gatherings that will be the last to come back online when things get back to some normalization.

For the most part union employees are already trained for this type of work environment from our lead training. I already have the same PPE to drill a hole in concrete as a nurse does treating a covid patient. Dust and flying particles go further than 6 feet... The problem is from a cost point of view very few things would be built. But on the positive side anyone working in a refinery or nuclear plant is already trained to work like that.

[iheartphilly]

Originally Posted by Jelly Roll

For the most part union employees are already trained for this type of work environment from our lead training. I already have the same PPE to drill a hole in concrete as a nurse does treating a covid patient. Dust and flying particles go further than 6 feet... The problem is from a cost point of view very few things would be built. But on the positive side anyone working in a refinery or nuclear plant is already trained to work like that.

If you have PPE such as a N95 mask, the six feet or more or any distance for that matter provides the same protection. N95 filters out 95% of the particulate of 0.3 micrometer size. The purpose of using the N95 is that you may be a covid-19 carrier and asymptomatic, but by wearing one you protect others by not dispersing your droplets. Conversely, if someone is a carrier and is shedding virus through a sneeze or cough, the N95 that you are wearing protects protects you from them. At this point a cloth mask does the same. The N95 mask or cloth mask are preventative in the sense if you cannot be 6 ft apart from someone who may be a carrier and is shedding virus.

I think construction workers can work safely at this point since the curve has flatten if they follow the rules of 1) temp checks 2) no symptoms and 3) wearing face mask.

Things can be built I assure you if these things are followed.

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

If you have PPE such as a N95 mask, the six feet or more or any distance for that matter provides the same protection. N95 filters out 95% of the particulate of 0.3 micrometer size. The purpose of using the N95 is that you may be a covid-19 carrier and asymptomatic, but by wearing one you protect others by not dispersing your droplets. Conversely, if someone is a carrier and is shedding virus through a sneeze or cough, the N95 that you are wearing protects protects you from them. At this point a cloth mask does the same. The N95 mask or cloth mask are preventative in the sense if you cannot be 6 ft apart from someone who may be a carrier and is shedding virus.

I think construction workers can work safely at this point since the curve has flatten if they follow the rules of 1) temp checks 2) no symptoms and 3) wearing face mask.

Things can be built I assure you if these things are followed.

Many area hospitals are still at or near capacity and Pennsylvania covid related hospitalizations are still not expected to hit their peak for another few days. It's great the curve is flattening, but we're still at the point where even a modest bump in cases could spell disaster since the system is already so overtaxed. You want there to be some breathing room before you start telling additional people to go to work.

Tests are also still not nearly as readily available as they need to be.

So I think we're still 2-4 weeks away from starting this process. But once it starts I agree that construction workers should be among the first wave returning to work. The focus should be on important work, that can't be done at home, and can be done reasonably safe on site and construction checks all of those boxes.

[TK2001]

My animation showing how 2 LP evolved, based on images I found. All the images I found are on this album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/n14fzHhM5Qy6qbVEA

[iheartphilly]

Originally Posted by allovertown

Many area hospitals are still at or near capacity and Pennsylvania covid related hospitalizations are still not expected to hit their peak for another few days. It's great the curve is flattening, but we're still at the point where even a modest bump in cases could spell disaster since the system is already so overtaxed. You want there to be some breathing room before you start telling additional people to go to work.

Tests are also still not nearly as readily available as they need to be.

So I think we're still 2-4 weeks away from starting this process. But once it starts I agree that construction workers should be among the first wave returning to work. The focus should be on important work, that can't be done at home, and can be done reasonably safe on site and construction checks all of those boxes.

Peak for all resources was yesterday 4/16. All the data that I'm looking at, PA is in good shape with the amount of low acuity beds available and ICU beds available.

[Justin7]

^ You mean the peak in the model you happen to be looking at? We won't know the true peak until we're well past it, and we won't know if it is the peak or a peak until we have a vaccine or significantly impactful treatment.

[iheartphilly]

^
more than just modeling...

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

Peak for all resources was yesterday 4/16. All the data that I'm looking at, PA is in good shape with the amount of low acuity beds available and ICU beds available.

This is the front page of the inquirer as we speak:



Hopefully the peak was yesterday, but you're not going to know until you get through today. And even if yesterday was the peak, you want to wait a couple of weeks to be sure.

Edit: sorry about the image size

[iheartphilly]

^
When case counts stops going up and plateaus or has a downward trend, it has peak. Can get another uptick if people fail to social distance. Now I got to get back to my real (paying) job...LOL.

[Knight Hospitaller]

I assume that iheartphilly is looking at the same website that I am (covid19.healthdata.org). It hasn't been updated since Monday. It was supposed to be updated on Wednesday. One probable reason for the delay is that the projected peak in US deaths was on Monday (at 2,150), but we've not yet actually peaked. I believe that yesterday was a daily record at just short of 4,600 deaths. The model has swung back and forth like a pendulum with each update, so I think we need to throw the current one in the garbage until the new one comes out.

[iheartphilly]

^
IMHE is a good model. Check out UPENN's CHIME too. I'm seeing other data too beside what's online.

[City Wide]

Originally Posted by iheartphilly

---------I think construction workers can work safely at this point since the curve has flatten if they follow the rules of 1) temp checks 2) no symptoms and 3) wearing face mask.

Things can be built I assure you if these things are followed.

Something tells that your assurance, or mine for that matter, is not going to effect when construction restarts. Even if workers had full body protection as in lead dust situations and asbestos removal there still is the issue that the virus can live for different amounts of time---up to days---on different materials. There are still as many unknowns about this virus as there are knowns. Plus I think you either don't realize or you discount that in alot of the stages of high rise and large construction projects the different trades are consistently bumping into each other and very little work is done by one man crews. The sprinkler people are in the same space as the plumbers, and pipe fitters, and the different wire trades and the HVAC people. It can be semi organized chaos at times. If one worker is a carrier and can unknowingly pass on the virus indirectly, as in through clothing contact, and that clothing gets taken home and then the process could just keep going on. We are fortunate that covid APPEARS to be not so easy to spread except through direct in your face contact, but it does happen.

I can't imagine anybody wants this present state of affairs to continue more then it has to, so its a matter of how much risk one is willing to take and if people can be coerced into working if they don't feel safe. Prior to covid there were alot of shared and largely agreed on conventions in our daily life, if you didn't like heights one didn't become a window washer, if you were scared to drive you didn't take a job that meant a long drive twice a day, those sort of decisions. Now, until science and medicine have more time to do their thing, the amount of risk one is comfortable with is like living in the wild, wild west--every man for himself.

You seem to be saying that for you its time to move rapidly back to normal; I'm more of the lets wait for another 4 to 6 weeks, and the next person might believe it'll be at least 6 months before the all clear is given. These are tough decisions since one individuals choice has the potential to negatively effect others who don't agree with that person.