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Old Posted Mar 29, 2020, 9:15 PM
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Toronto is doing the same, all the big brands there have done something. Dior has boarded up, Gucci, Saint Laurent, and other brands have removed all products from their stores.

When I was downtown the other day, Prada, Louis Vuitton had no product visible from the street, some others had boarded up but its not that much, I think Coach, Dior and Lululemon were the only ones who had boarded up in that area of downtown. Lululemon also had a security guard posted on the street.
One boarding in Toronto? (I said a couple doesn't count)Lol for a city almost 3 times the population more than ours, that is nothing. We are still right on top there. There are many restaurants and shops that are boarded up here. The fear among the business community is very real.

Aritzia, Hublot, SalaThai and quite a few other ones are boarded up too. I'm sure more will follow.

I'm sure those businesses in the shopping malls must be glad they made the best decision to open in them.

For those who constantly try to sugarcoat Vancouver:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/downtown-vancouver-shops-boarded-up-break-ins-coronavirus

Don't you guys like how Club Monaco already has graffiti on its plywood?

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Old Posted Mar 29, 2020, 10:26 PM
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So does Lids on Robson at Granville
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2020, 11:30 PM
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One boarding in Toronto? (I said a couple doesn't count)Lol for a city almost 3 times the population more than ours, that is nothing. We are still right on top there. There are many restaurants and shops that are boarded up here. The fear among the business community is very real.

Aritzia, Hublot, SalaThai and quite a few other ones are boarded up too. I'm sure more will follow.

I'm sure those businesses in the shopping malls must be glad they made the best decision to open in them.

For those who constantly try to sugarcoat Vancouver:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/downtown-vancouver-shops-boarded-up-break-ins-coronavirus

Don't you guys like how Club Monaco already has graffiti on its plywood?
There are lots of cities in Canada that have a higher crime rate than Vancouver.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 12:04 AM
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People should practice social distancing from Vin.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 12:17 AM
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People should practice social distancing from Vin.
Dont worry, I'm already social distancing from you way before the pandemic.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 12:20 AM
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There are lots of cities in Canada that have a higher crime rate than Vancouver.
Care to cite examples of where downtown retail break-in in other parts of Canada, is worse than Vancouver's?
     
     
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Care to cite examples of where downtown retail break-in in other parts of Canada, is worse than Vancouver's?
I don't think there are crime stats that break things down to downtown areas. Post them if you have them. Could be a big win for you here. I would tend to think that given that downtown Vancouver has a very high residential population, crime would be lower in the downtown area compared to cities like Winnipeg, or Regina or Edmonton, etc.. (That's using a crimes per 100 000 metric).
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 12:43 AM
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I don't think there are crime stats that break things down to downtown areas. Post them if you have them. Could be a big win for you here. I would tend to think that given that downtown Vancouver has a very high residential population, crime would be lower in the downtown area compared to cities like Winnipeg, or Regina or Edmonton, etc.. (That's using a crimes per 100 000 metric).
Then you should not give sweeping statements that other cities have retail break-in crimes worse than Vancouver's. I base what I say on the number of shops that are boarded up, not to mention the countless times I walk by broken windows and boarded up retail even before the pandemic started. I feel terrible for the businesses trying to make a stand in this city, and always wonder why authorities are not doing more. The city can at least get VPD to start a beat patrol on the streets at night and wee hours of the morning. Sitting in the patrol cars is not going to help much.
     
     
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the stress and isolation has turned this thread into a gong show over plywood.

     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 5:32 PM
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Then you should not give sweeping statements that other cities have retail break-in crimes worse than Vancouver's. I base what I say on the number of shops that are boarded up, not to mention the countless times I walk by broken windows and boarded up retail even before the pandemic started. I feel terrible for the businesses trying to make a stand in this city, and always wonder why authorities are not doing more. The city can at least get VPD to start a beat patrol on the streets at night and wee hours of the morning. Sitting in the patrol cars is not going to help much.
This made my day.

Never give up, Vin. This is in the news every couple times a year so here's a refresher breakdown by Macleans for 2020: https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places-2020/

Coming from the prairies... the DTES for a male during both day and night subjectively feels safer than downtown Edmonton, Winnipeg, and even Calgary to a degree. Many women I know say almost all parts of Vancouver they feel safer than those same cities... But objectively look above to some stats.

On a side note: thanks for posting the childcare construction photo and continued updates as I work from home and am separated from my development community!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 5:46 PM
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Then you should not give sweeping statements that other cities have retail break-in crimes worse than Vancouver's. I base what I say on the number of shops that are boarded up, not to mention the countless times I walk by broken windows and boarded up retail even before the pandemic started. I feel terrible for the businesses trying to make a stand in this city, and always wonder why authorities are not doing more. The city can at least get VPD to start a beat patrol on the streets at night and wee hours of the morning. Sitting in the patrol cars is not going to help much.
We're not allowed to confront crime in Canada.

I still remember how bad putting bumps on your property so that homeless don't sleep there is. Right now if you put any measure in to deter homeless from sleeping and shitting on your property, you are bad. You are a bad guy for owning property or for going to work everyday. You are bad for not letting people rob or vandalize your place. You are bad for not giving everything you have to someone who has never worked a day in their life. All of us taxpaying Canadians are bad people.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/dow...rs-aimed-at-keeping-homeless-people-away

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017...e-demand-ms-apology-over-deterrent-alarm
     
     
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We're not allowed to confront crime in Canada.

I still remember how bad putting bumps on your property so that homeless don't sleep there is. Right now if you put any measure in to deter homeless from sleeping and shitting on your property, you are bad. You are a bad guy for owning property or for going to work everyday. You are bad for not letting people rob or vandalize your place. You are bad for not giving everything you have to someone who has never worked a day in their life. All of us taxpaying Canadians are bad people.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/dow...rs-aimed-at-keeping-homeless-people-away

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017...e-demand-ms-apology-over-deterrent-alarm
Homelessness is not a "crime".
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 7:31 PM
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Homelessness is not a "crime".
You are correct........BUT!!!!!!
Defecating, urinating, polluting (especially discarding used drug paraphanalia and needles), harassing, spitting on people, stabbing random people and sleeping on street corners, pitching tents on street corners, and public parks are all illegal.
Our civic rights are invaded and now occupied by society's deviants and we will never get past it anymore with our and our civic leaders' 'turn a blind eye' mentality.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 7:49 PM
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You are correct........BUT!!!!!!
Defecating, urinating, polluting (especially discarding used drug paraphanalia and needles), harassing, spitting on people, stabbing random people and sleeping on street corners, pitching tents on street corners, and public parks are all illegal.
Our civic rights are invaded and now occupied by society's deviants and we will never get past it anymore with our and our civic leaders' 'turn a blind eye' mentality.
I have a right to commit crimes if I'm poor is the current mindset.

Our laws no longer apply to certain special interest groups.

The guy living and defecating on your front door step isn't going to end up in jail or punished.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 8:02 PM
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You are correct........BUT!!!!!!
Defecating, urinating, polluting (especially discarding used drug paraphanalia and needles), harassing, spitting on people, stabbing random people and sleeping on street corners, pitching tents on street corners, and public parks are all illegal.
Our civic rights are invaded and now occupied by society's deviants and we will never get past it anymore with our and our civic leaders' 'turn a blind eye' mentality.
Highly agree. A blind eye has been turned for too long on accessible public washrooms and adequate housing and mental health /drug treatment.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 8:25 PM
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One boarding in Toronto? (I said a couple doesn't count)Lol for a city almost 3 times the population more than ours, that is nothing. We are still right on top there. There are many restaurants and shops that are boarded up here. The fear among the business community is very real.

Aritzia, Hublot, SalaThai and quite a few other ones are boarded up too. I'm sure more will follow.

I'm sure those businesses in the shopping malls must be glad they made the best decision to open in them.

For those who constantly try to sugarcoat Vancouver:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/downtown-vancouver-shops-boarded-up-break-ins-coronavirus

Don't you guys like how Club Monaco already has graffiti on its plywood?

There's something seriously wrong with you.

You made a spurious claim that Vancouver was "probably the only city" doing this (which was a laughable claim on its face,....but....whatever), and then when challenged to prove this claim, you linked to a news source basically only confirming what we've already established (That certain brands are doing it in Vancouver) but not proving the claim that this is the only city where it's "probably" happening.

And the, under no obligation themselves to disprove your silly assertion, someone nonetheless does anyone pointing out that boarding up of certain stores is also happening in Toronto (which, logic would have told anyone was likely happening there as well as they have a higher infection rate and a more tighter social distancing restrictions, all on top of having a larger homeless population).

You then shift goalposts now demanding to be provided MULTIPLE examples (when you claim was originally intimating that we were the "only one" or "probably the only one").

So what if they're only "a couple" or one or two (brand boarding up)?
How does that mean they don't count when your assertion was that it wasn't happening at all anywhere else?

And who said that it has to be proportional to the respective population sizes?
Yes Vancouver has a more recent history with riots and destruction of public and retail property (following the Stanley Cup final), and that might play a large part into the thinking (and in some cases, irrational fear) of some of these retailers - especially given the fact that the majority of people who were rioting and destroying property and looting weren't in fact, homeless people, but the kind of "fine" "upstanding", wholesome-types who lived in and were brought up in homes.
That might factor into why the per capita number might be higher for retailers boarding up in Vancouver versus other big cities in Canada.

Nobody's trying to sugarcoat Vancouver.
We understand the situation as it currently is.
If you hate it so much here, why do you live here?

I'm not even native to this city and it boggles my mind that I would have to be the one to "defend" it or people from it or who live in it, when I don't really have a dog in the fights.

**gasp**
Oh no!!!
GRAFFITI?!?!?!?!

OH THE HORROR!!
OH THE HUMANITY!!!!
What Next!?!?!?!? Kids in goth gear and spiked hairstyles!?!?!?

     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 8:29 PM
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Then you should not give sweeping statements that other cities have retail break-in crimes worse than Vancouver's. I base what I say on the number of shops that are boarded up, not to mention the countless times I walk by broken windows and boarded up retail even before the pandemic started. I feel terrible for the businesses trying to make a stand in this city, and always wonder why authorities are not doing more. The city can at least get VPD to start a beat patrol on the streets at night and wee hours of the morning. Sitting in the patrol cars is not going to help much.
What about sweeping statements about Vancouver being, (**checks notes**)....."probably the only city"... boarding up?
Seemingly supported only by anecdotal evidence of not having been to other cities (and summarily been proven wrong by someone living in another city stating otherwise)

What's your position on those (sweeping statements)?

Asking for a friend.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 9:38 PM
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This made my day.

Never give up, Vin. This is in the news every couple times a year so here's a refresher breakdown by Macleans for 2020: https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places-2020/

Coming from the prairies... the DTES for a male during both day and night subjectively feels safer than downtown Edmonton, Winnipeg, and even Calgary to a degree. Many women I know say almost all parts of Vancouver they feel safer than those same cities... But objectively look above to some stats.

On a side note: thanks for posting the childcare construction photo and continued updates as I work from home and am separated from my development community!
We are talking about retail break-ins here, unless you consider women as "retail". Why do people keep shifting the goal-posts?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2020, 9:39 PM
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We're not allowed to confront crime in Canada.

I still remember how bad putting bumps on your property so that homeless don't sleep there is. Right now if you put any measure in to deter homeless from sleeping and shitting on your property, you are bad. You are a bad guy for owning property or for going to work everyday. You are bad for not letting people rob or vandalize your place. You are bad for not giving everything you have to someone who has never worked a day in their life. All of us taxpaying Canadians are bad people.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/dow...rs-aimed-at-keeping-homeless-people-away

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017...e-demand-ms-apology-over-deterrent-alarm
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You are correct........BUT!!!!!!
Defecating, urinating, polluting (especially discarding used drug paraphanalia and needles), harassing, spitting on people, stabbing random people and sleeping on street corners, pitching tents on street corners, and public parks are all illegal.
Our civic rights are invaded and now occupied by society's deviants and we will never get past it anymore with our and our civic leaders' 'turn a blind eye' mentality.
Can't agree with you more.

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the stress and isolation has turned this thread into a gong show over plywood.

Hey, a man's gotta defend his own statement.
     
     
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