Long term repercussions from Covid-19 what will they be?

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by ReeceZ

Does a bidet actually thoroughly clean up around your anus hole though? I mean, depending on the dump one takes, sometimes you need to get in there with tp and apply some friction and pressure to clean up the soft, sticky crap that won't come off with a rinse of water.

Yes, I'm being graphic, but it's an honest question.

I think that both together is cleaner than either separately.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by ReeceZ

Does a bidet actually thoroughly clean up around your anus hole though? I mean, depending on the dump one takes, sometimes you need to get up in there with tp and apply some friction and pressure to clean up the soft, sticky crap that won't come off with a rinse of water.

Yes, I'm being graphic, but it's an honest and fair question.

Well that was too much information!

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Seems that simply going for a drive as family entertaiment is making a comeback. We used to do that when I was a kid. But no one I know did that until this crisis.

Cheaper gas certainly helps.

Though I wonder if the trend will last post-crisis.

Apart from taking a couple of very long detours while coming home from the park with the kids I haven't done this yet, but I'm thinking about giving it a try. Seems like such a Don Draper Mad Men era thing to do... everyone pile in the car! We're going for a drive!

Originally Posted by casper

The wearing of masks in food service industries is a good example of how China is ahead of us.

There are other practices across Asia that are better. Japan is quite obsessed.

I would bet that one of the lasting effects of this crisis in North America is that we will start seeing masks much more frequently than in the past. In other words, it won't be just Asian people wearing them anymore. Supermarket workers will be wearing them as a sign of good hygiene standards.

[Dengler Avenue]

Everybody in the car? You’ll have to be driving a 7-seat van in order for social distancing to work.
I’m just driving solo now and lol I enjoy that too. I just have to be careful not to get egregious with my speed.

[kwoldtimer]

[QUOTE=esquire;8870055]Apart from taking a couple of very long detours while coming home from the park with the kids I haven't done this yet, but I'm thinking about giving it a try. Seems like such a Don Draper Mad Men era thing to do... everyone pile in the car! We're going for a drive!



I would bet that one of the lasting effects of this crisis in North America is that we will start seeing masks much more frequently than in the past. In other words, it won't be just Asian people wearing them anymore. Supermarket workers will be wearing them as a sign of good hygiene standards.[/QUOTE]

Overkill for the cashiers who will now be behind plexiglass screens.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Everybody in the car? You’ll have to be driving a 7-seat van in order for social distancing to work.

I can't social distance from my wife and kids.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Overkill for the cashiers who will now be behind plexiglass screens.

Maybe for the cashiers behind plexiglass, but that's just one category of supermarket workers. Certainly the ones behind deli counters, seafood counters, pharmacies, etc. will be sporting masks more often.

[WarrenC12]

Very hard to predict the long term outcomes of COVID-19. If this wipes out a significant portion of the elderly population, we will see a few big impacts:

1. Massive wealth transfer - money sitting in the bank or investments of older folks will get passed to their kids. Possibly reinvested, but also put into the economy for big ticket items like houses, cars, renovations, vacations (gulp!)

2. Health care will get a temporary reprieve, as we know people use 80-90% of the health care in their lifetimes in the last ~5 years of life.

3. Pensions, OAS, CPP, etc. will stop paying out. More money in the system for others.

2-3 will be big benefits for governments, especially in Canada. Enough to pay back the massive expense? Maybe.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Very hard to predict the long term outcomes of COVID-19. If this wipes out a significant portion of the elderly population, we will see a few big impacts:

1. Massive wealth transfer - money sitting in the bank or investments of older folks will get passed to their kids. Possibly reinvested, but also put into the economy for big ticket items like houses, cars, renovations, vacations (gulp!)

2. Health care will get a temporary reprieve, as we know people use 80-90% of the health care in their lifetimes in the last ~5 years of life.

3. Pensions, OAS, CPP, etc. will stop paying out. More money in the system for others.

2-3 will be big benefits for governments, especially in Canada. Enough to pay back the massive expense? Maybe.

I may as well finish your sentence: Conservatives will never form government at the federal level ever again.

[whatnext]

The grim predictions for the local hotel industry:


COVID-19: B.C.'s hotel industry facing closures, mass layoffs
Author of the article:Tiffany Crawford
Publishing date:20 hours ago • 4 minute read

B.C.’s hotel industry is predicting closures and layoffs in the tens of thousands because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Ingrid Jarrett, president of the B.C. Hotel Association, says there are approximately 60,000 employees working in more than 700 hotels throughout the province, and estimates that two-thirds of those people will be laid off.

“So that’s about 40,000 people in the province,” she said. “And I think, truthfully, that is a conservative number.”..

....hotels went from about 70 per cent occupancy to under 10 per cent in two days.

“It’s been a heartbreaking week. If we can’t recover by summer, then 30 per cent of all those businesses won’t reopen because they can’t stay solvent,” she said.

The margins are very tight for the hotel industry, and more than 50 per cent of annual revenue is made during the four months of summer....

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-b-c-s-hotel-industry-facing-closures-mass-layoffs/

[rbt]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I may as well finish your sentence: Conservatives will never form government at the federal level ever again.

Sure they will, just not with the policies Harper ran with.

[misher]

Originally Posted by rbt

Sure they will, just not with the policies Harper ran with.

They will depending on how Trudeau does. The last election was pretty close as the Liberals won by a small margin in many areas.

Probably his response to the current crisis will be what Trudeau is remembered for.

If we enter a prolonged recession it won't matter what the Liberals have done, people will be pissed. The ones who suffer the most from a prolonged recession are likely Liberal voters too.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by whatnext

The grim predictions for the local hotel industry:


COVID-19: B.C.'s hotel industry facing closures, mass layoffs
Author of the article:Tiffany Crawford
Publishing date:20 hours ago • 4 minute read

B.C.’s hotel industry is predicting closures and layoffs in the tens of thousands because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Ingrid Jarrett, president of the B.C. Hotel Association, says there are approximately 60,000 employees working in more than 700 hotels throughout the province, and estimates that two-thirds of those people will be laid off.

“So that’s about 40,000 people in the province,” she said. “And I think, truthfully, that is a conservative number.”..

....hotels went from about 70 per cent occupancy to under 10 per cent in two days.

“It’s been a heartbreaking week. If we can’t recover by summer, then 30 per cent of all those businesses won’t reopen because they can’t stay solvent,” she said.

The margins are very tight for the hotel industry, and more than 50 per cent of annual revenue is made during the four months of summer....

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-b-c-s-hotel-industry-facing-closures-mass-layoffs/

On the bright side, lots of space now available to house the homeless while they weather the pandemic!

[ssiguy]

Don't count on it. Remember Vancouver is the ONLY city in Canada to have an urban slum which it has been more than willing to let fester for half a century. Neither Vancouver nor BC in general has ever shown any real interest in solving it's housing and poverty crisis and there is no reason to think they ever will.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Don't count on it. Remember Vancouver is the ONLY city in Canada to have an urban slum which it has been more than willing to let fester for half a century. Neither Vancouver nor BC in general has ever shown any real interest in solving it's housing and poverty crisis and there is no reason to think they ever will.

Oh, I wouldn't count on it. Just sayin'...

[logan5]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Don't count on it. Remember Vancouver is the ONLY city in Canada to have an urban slum which it has been more than willing to let fester for half a century. Neither Vancouver nor BC in general has ever shown any real interest in solving it's housing and poverty crisis and there is no reason to think they ever will.

It would more accurately be described as Canada's slum, since it's a destination for destitute people from coast to coast.

[Djeffery]

Taking a family drive, or partial family drive, is something we have done since the first year our kids were born, and they are 18 now. I took the second 6 months of parental leave when they were born, and an afternoon drive was a regular thing for me and the kids. A way to get of the house, I would swing by Timmy's, I liked to watch planes, so I would go over to the airport and watch the afternoon WestJet and Air Canada flight leave, and the drive was great for their afternoon nap.

And now with all this isolating, it's something we do quite often in the evenings. My daughter and I went out Friday and last night later on, just because she was stir crazy in the house. Neither kid has their full license yet, so they still need one of us, but I imagine when they finally take that step, they will just want the car and take off on their own lol.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by esquire

I can't social distance from my wife and kids.

How is this working for divorced/separated people who have joint custody of the kids? Does the last person to have the kids get them until this over?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

How is this working for divorced/separated people who have joint custody of the kids? Does the last person to have the kids get them until this over?

Depending how many people are involved, swapping a kid or two between two single people is really no different than a family that is all still together.

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by itom 987

China needs to get their sanitization standards up, I was disgusted to see grimy walls everywhere, they never clean their walls. Public bathrooms that people have to pay and supply their own toilet paper are never cleaned. Their farmers markets look like something out of the Texas Chainsaw massacre. I know that my experiences are from 2005 but I don't think much improvements has happened since then.

Public bathrooms at least in the large cities have improved considerably, though wet markets, particularly in rural areas, haven't.

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Quite the contrary, this is going to pulverize the Chinese economy. China is an export oriented economy that relies on Western consumers to purchase their goods and now they have no where to sell them. This is going to cause tens of millions of layoffs in the Chinese manufacturing sector. Unlike the West, China is still too poor to have a truly consumer based economy.

Spoken like someone who has never actually been to China. China's domestic consumption has been increasing rapidly over the last decade, and it's likely that this crisis will only accelerate that. Service industries have also grown rapidly as the amount of disposable income for the average Chinese person has increased. The Chinese, like the Americans, are very patriotic, and 'Buy Chinese' campaigns have been very successful in recent years - witness the success of Huawei and other Chinese mobile phone brands in dominating the Chinese smartphone market as a prime example.