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Old Posted Mar 19, 2020, 6:58 AM
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Bars, artists, music, etc. don't do much for society too. But they all pay taxes. Governments exist for the taxpayers its not up to them to pick winners and losers. And you know what? Some businesses are essential and most are optional. But we need all of them going strong to prosper.
In some ways they pay taxes. Businesses can't get away from property taxes, but only the profitable ones pay corporate income tax.

The bottom 40-50th percentile of the population also pay zero or next to zero income tax, and presumably get most of their other taxes given back in one way or another. The top 10 percentile of income earners pay 60% of all taxes, and the top 1% pay 30% of all taxes in Canada.

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Bars, artists, music, etc. don't do much for society too. But they all pay taxes. Governments exist for the taxpayers its not up to them to pick winners and losers. And you know what? Some businesses are essential and most are optional. But we need all of them going strong to prosper.
Millenia of culture disagrees with you there. What an absurd statement.
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Millenia of culture disagrees with you there. What an absurd statement.
You're only worth as much as you pay in taxes it seems
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Millenia of culture disagrees with you there. What an absurd statement.
Glad I'm not the only one who sees it that way!
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2020, 4:38 PM
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Millenia of culture disagrees with you there. What an absurd statement.
I don't see how a bar differs much from a casino. Both are dens of sin that don't "contribute" and aren't necessary.

My point is that all these businesses should be supported. While the person I was arguing against is saying we should pick winners and losers.
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I don't see how a bar differs much from a casino. Both are dens of sin that don't "contribute" and aren't necessary.

My point is that all these businesses should be supported. While the person I was arguing against is saying we should pick winners and losers.

Dens of sin? Where are we a Pentecostal church?
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I don't see how a bar differs much from a casino. Both are dens of sin that don't "contribute" and aren't necessary.

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Thanks, Misher. I needed a cathartic laugh this morning. I agree that casinos add nothing to society and are overtly predatory, but restaurants, bars, music venues, etc., are unquestionably assets to society as they are overtly social.
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Dens of sin. Oh wow, we've reached a new low.

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"Dens of sin?" Come on, this is 2020, not 1920. Next thing you know we'll be fighting over the morality of jazz.

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My point is that all these businesses should be supported. While the person I was arguing against is saying we should pick winners and losers.
No, "the person" (and this entire thread) had been arguing that ALL businesses will be hurt by this and that none warrant special treatment. If anything, you're arguing that Vancouver's casinos are already being destroyed by common sense anti-criminal laws, so they should stay open or receive some kind of unique relief package... and that's ridiculous.
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"Dens of sin?" Come on, this is 2020, not 1920. Next thing you know we'll be fighting over the morality of jazz.



No, "the person" (and this entire thread) had been arguing that ALL businesses will be hurt by this and that none warrant special treatment. If anything, you're arguing that Vancouver's casinos are already being destroyed by common sense anti-criminal laws, so they should stay open or receive some kind of unique relief package... and that's ridiculous.
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Delta revokes business license of hot yoga studio that was continuing to hold classes:

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...cm/9ac4584d-9e15-4d72-9c22-025d1b8d51ab/
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2020, 12:45 AM
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I don't see how a bar differs much from a casino. Both are dens of sin that don't "contribute" and aren't necessary.
Places of leisure are absolutely necessary, even from a cynical business perspective. I can't tell you how much networking gets done over a beer at a pub or bar. You meet people you would never get the chance to in your day to day life. Work takes up a lot of society's time, and you end up spending a lot of your day with people you may not be compatible with. Bars and pubs give us a chance to make different bonds with others, and to gather. It helps build a community, a society.

As for music and artists, well, just think of what we as a people cherish from the past. What's left to us that gives us a window in to life one hundred, two hundred, five hundred years ago? It ain't bank statements, that's for sure.
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Delta revokes business license of hot yoga studio that was continuing to hold classes:

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...cm/9ac4584d-9e15-4d72-9c22-025d1b8d51ab/
More specifically because they were openly/unashamedly peddling junk science that has no basis in fact stating that hot yoga kills viruses.
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Vancouver has moved up a couple key places to 22nd on the GFC Index 27, becoming the top Canadian city.

http://en.cdi.org.cn/component/k2/item/652-the-global-financial-centres-index-27-gfci-27
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Looks like the Vancouver Courier is the latest victim of the current COVID-19 situation.

It seems that their advertisers - mostly small, local businesses - have dried up, hence no revenue to run the paper.

They say they are closed "for the time being", but do we really see a hope for them in the long run?

On a related note, has anybody seen how thin the Georgia Straight is these days? I think they are probably in an equally precarious position.
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The No Frills Flyer goes "all digital" April 17th.
That's one less flyer for the "Vancouver is Awesome" community wrapper.
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BC in a bit of a pickle as up to 50% of tenants refusing to pay rent. This despite the fact that most of them are still being paid. With the government refusing to allow evictions tenants are of course now abusing the leniency which is going to screw a large chunk of owners who rent and their employees and janitorial staff.

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The issue threatens the savings and livelihoods of people who rent out properties and are not at present eligible for any kind of government relief
https://biv.com/article/2020/04/bc-landlords-seeing-50-tenants-not-paying-rent
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Maybe those landlords will have to get real jobs.
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Maybe those landlords will have to get real jobs.
Ouch that is a bit harsh when you figure most of these landlords work full time and just invested savings into a property for retirement.
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BC in a bit of a pickle as up to 50% of tenants refusing to pay rent. This despite the fact that most of them are still being paid. With the government refusing to allow evictions tenants are of course now abusing the leniency which is going to screw a large chunk of owners who rent and their employees and janitorial staff.



https://biv.com/article/2020/04/bc-landlords-seeing-50-tenants-not-paying-rent
I mean, "refusing" is an awfully loaded term, Misher. By your apparent logic, people's employers are likewise refusing to pay them despite most of them still making revenue. Yet we're rightly calling that a calamitous cascading economic crisis due to COVID-19 and not intimating that employers laying off staff are deadbeats for taking advantage of the crisis to save a buck.

For a more accurate quote from the same article, the lede, in fact, consider this:

Goodman Commercial Inc. surveyed a dozen multi-family property owners of varying sizes and found that between 1% and 50% of those landlords’ tenants didn’t pay their rent this month.

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Not to minimize the impact on commercial landlords experiencing a 50% drop in rental income, but 1-50% is a huge range and we're only talking twelve commercial landlords having been surveyed, so we can hardly consider this statistically significant. It's also not terribly surprising that many, many folks are unable to pay their rent after weeks of dwindling or lost wages (and jobs) and the lag time of the emergency economic aid programs being spun up. The commercial landlords can draw down on their internal reserves and credit facilities, and request repayment flexibility and short-term loans from their creditors to bridge the weeks (or months) before cashflow can recover as affected tenants access and receive emergency financial aid and, hopefully, weather the economic crisis and return to work on the other side.

This quote, "To date, the B.C. and federal governments have not announced any kind of support measure for landlords facing a decline in revenue due to tenants not paying rent.", is also highly dubious. Commercial landlords have the ability to access interest free government-backed loans-with-grants, wage subsidies, direct-to-landlord rent subsidies, lower financing costs through rate cuts, and CMHC troubled asset purchase programs to relieve pressure on creditors and let them offer greater flexibility to manage commercial lending.

If it's an independent unincorporated landlord renting out their basement or rental property, their loss of rental income should let them qualify for the range of individual- and household-based emergency support measures targeted for self-employed folks not eligible for EI. Moreover, they can work with their creditors to defer mortgage payments for their affected rental properties. That's assuming they do not have the ability to float a month without income, which landlords should anticipate from time to time when tenancy ends.
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