The Great Canadian Transit Thread

[MonkeyRonin]

I don't think any subway stations anywhere are specifically heated or cooled, as that would be quite wasteful. The temperature is really just a result of ventilation, depth, bodies, etc.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

I don't think any subway stations anywhere are specifically heated or cooled, as that would be quite wasteful. The temperature is really just a result of ventilation, depth, bodies, etc.

The REM stations will be heated and have AC.

[MonkeyRonin]

Will they have platform doors? Otherwise that's a whole lot of heated/cooled air escaping into the tunnels or the air.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Will they have platform doors? Otherwise that's a whole lot of heated/cooled air escaping into the tunnels or the air.

Yes!


https://rem.info/en/albums/rem-architectural-renders#lg=1&slide=6

Ottawa missed an opportunity to build something truly forward-thinking and modern like the REM. What we ended up with is adequate (when it works) at best. It's frustrating hearing the City/OC Transpo calling it "world-class" when it's not even close.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

I don't think any subway stations anywhere are specifically heated or cooled, as that would be quite wasteful. The temperature is really just a result of ventilation, depth, bodies, etc.

So, what you described is how heating, ventilation and cooling works. You move heat from one sport to another, either to warm or cool an area.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, what you described is how heating, ventilation and cooling works. You move heat from one sport to another, either to warm or cool an area.

Mechanical climate control vs passive climate control. Few systems have mechanical climate control. I would assume that some thought goes into passive climate control solutions (partial walls, screens, roof angles for outdoor stations, for example. Not sure what goes into designing underground stations, other than the ventilation shafts).

The Azure trains have a great example of a passive climate control system. The vents along the ceiling/roof provide air flow to cool down the interior temperature. This was done since the system is fully underground; A/C units would cool down the train, but overheat the tunnels. How is that system working? Big improvement over the old MR stock?

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Will they have platform doors? Otherwise that's a whole lot of heated/cooled air escaping into the tunnels or the air.

There are a lot of even outdoor transit stations (such as on Chicago L) that have heat lamps which isn't technically heating of the stations since the air isn't being directly heated, but it's a form of heating none-the-less.

[Chadillaccc]

I'm sure all those reasons mentioned on the previous page contribute to why the Montreal Metro is comparably warmer than other metro/premetro systems in Canada.

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

There are a lot of even outdoor transit stations (such as on Chicago L) that have heat lamps which isn't technically heating of the stations since the air isn't being directly heated, but it's a form of heating none-the-less.

Yeah, all Ctrain Stations have heated shelters. Even the couple of the stations that are just basic platforms with bus stop-style bench areas have heat lamps in them. The more recently redone stations, in addition to their large indoor components, also have new large glassed in waiting areas with heaters under the seats (about 30 ish seats in each shelter), so it heats your bums and the air.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

How's Westbrook Station?

I'm not often in that area, as I live downtown and have no reason to go to the west side of the city. The Northwest Line takes me to school, Kensington and other destinations, South Line to my best friends place and some great breweries plus Chinook Mall [though I don't shop much outside downtown], and Northeast Line also has access to a few great breweries, the Zoo, Science Centre, and Bridgeland is a dope neighbourhood. As far as the West Line though, it's basically just a commuter line from nowhere to downtown. However, from what I do remember when I spent my first couple years here exploring, Westbrook is quite cold, basically air temperature. The tunnel is only a kilometer long.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Yeah, all Ctrain Stations have heated shelters. Even the couple of the stations that are just basic platforms with bus stop-style bench areas have heat lamps in them. The more recently redone stations, in addition to their large indoor components, also have new large glassed in waiting areas with heaters under the seats (about 30 ish seats in each shelter), so it heats your bums and the air.


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Gatineau's Rapibus BRT has enclosed heating waiting areas at its main stations, with other stations having radiant overhead heating (similar to stands in a hockey arena).

If I am not mistaken (and Ottawatonians will correct me if I am wrong), Ottawa's BRT Transitway had/has heated enclosed waiting areas, but these were removed on the sections were it was replaced by the new Confederation Line LRT, which has no heat or enclosed areas in most of its above-ground stations.

[Doady]

Mississauga is expanding its 24 hour service this March to give 19 Hurontario full service along the whole route. Right now the buses end at Britannia but in March they will go all the way to 407. It's not much but it's still good sign to see the service being expanded.

[Chadillaccc]

Double post?

[Chadillaccc]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Gatineau's Rapibus BRT has enclosed heating waiting areas at its main stations, with other stations having radiant overhead heating (similar to stands in a hockey arena).

If I am not mistaken (and Ottawatonians will correct me if I am wrong), Ottawa's BRT Transitway had/has heated enclosed waiting areas, but these were removed on the sections were it was replaced by the new Confederation Line LRT, which has no heat or enclosed areas in most of its above-ground stations.

Right on! Yeah actually our new BRT network stops have radiant heating as well, forgot about that. The stations - much like the new shelters at the Ctrain stations I previously mentioned - are not fully enclosed due to some weird building code, so they have openings at the roof line, but they are a really good alternative to a regular shitty bus shelter at any time of the year except hot days.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Yes!

Ottawa missed an opportunity to build something truly forward-thinking and modern like the REM. What we ended up with is adequate (when it works) at best. It's frustrating hearing the City/OC Transpo calling it "world-class" when it's not even close.

Well the transit professionnals were told by city staff that LRT is the modern way of travel and light metro was not modern enough. Pure folly. We are now seeing the limits of LRT in Canada and the US with subpar projects?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Gatineau's Rapibus BRT has enclosed heating waiting areas at its main stations, with other stations having radiant overhead heating (similar to stands in a hockey arena).

If I am not mistaken (and Ottawatonians will correct me if I am wrong), Ottawa's BRT Transitway had/has heated enclosed waiting areas, but these were removed on the sections were it was replaced by the new Confederation Line LRT, which has no heat or enclosed areas in most of its above-ground stations.

You're right; the Transitway Stations, at least the ones I've used past and present, have/had heated enclosed waiting areas. The downtown Transitway Stations, other than at Mackenzie King and maybe the west side of Laurier (attached to Desmarais), had no such luxury.

Radiant heat was installed at platform level at all Confederation Line stations to melt snow, but it does nothing to keep passengers warm.

Transecure areas at each station have heat lamps, but very few people can wait there at once. They are near the end of each platform, where the door closest to the front of the train ends up when docked. The problem with that is, at stations where we only have one entrance, the Transecure area will be near the stairs and elevators on what platform, but the farthest possible spot on the other (Lees and Tremblay come to mind).

Here are two examples. Above ground stations look like St-Laurent, but with a dinky glass roof.

Transecure at Rideau:


https://www.ottawamatters.com/local-news...ng-onto-tracks-at-rideau-station-1833652

Transecure at St-Laurent:


https://www.visuallyaccessiblecities.ca/blog/archives/10-2019

[p_xavier]

The Longueuil LRT project should be officially launched tomorrow.


Interesting to see who will be at the announcement :

Richard D'Amour, président de la CCIRS

Christian Dubé, ministre responsable de l'Administration gouvernementale, président du Conseil du trésor, ministre responsable de la région de la Montérégie et député de La Prairie

Chantal Rouleau, ministre déléguée aux Transports et ministre responsable de la Métropole et de la région de Montréal Lionel Carmant, député de Taillon et ministre délégué à la Santé et aux Services sociaux

Pierre Lavallée, président-directeur général de la Banque de l'infrastructure du Canada

Pierre Shedleur, président du conseil d'administration de l'Autorité régionale de transport métropolitain

En lire plus: https://www.lelezard.com/communique-19145491.html

[canucklehead2]

Just putting it out there. I think platform doors should be mandatory on all rapid transit systems, even if it involves spending $$ to upgrade the signalling and control systems to make it happen... Better passenger comfort, lot less energy comfort, less chance of accidents and "accidents"...

[Dengler Avenue]

https://www.blogto.com/city/2020/02/sheppard-east-subway-extension-toronto/

Now we’re talking about extending Sheppard Subway west to Downesview Park.
It’s not funded at the moment. As much as I would like to see this happen (especially if it takes traffic off the 401), doesn’t it duplicate with Finch West LRT?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://www.blogto.com/city/2020/02/sheppard-east-subway-extension-toronto/

Now we’re talking about extending Sheppard Subway west to Downesview Park.
It’s not funded at the moment. As much as I would like to see this happen (especially if it takes traffic off the 401), doesn’t it duplicate with Finch West LRT?

It would finally remove Sheppard line from being a stubway. It seems silly that it hasn't been done.

[Nouvellecosse]

If they do extend the line it should also be converted from 4 car standard subway to 2 car Canada Line-like automated stock. Or even high floor LRT like in LA so that it can be extended at street level. The line could potentially extend all the way out to the zoo in the east and to the future Jane LRT in the west.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

If they do extend the line it should also be converted from 4 car standard subway to 2 car Canada Line-like automated stock. Or even high floor LRT like in LA so that it can be extended at street level. The line could potentially extend all the way out to the zoo in the east and to the future Jane LRT in the west.

I prefer that it be kept underground. One of Lines 3 (Bloor-Danforth), 4 (Sheppard) and 5 (Eglinton) should be extended to Durham Region, though I don’t know if that’ll help with congestion on the 401 at all. Any freed up capacity will be eaten up soon while the lines get too congested for any good.

@swimmer_spe nice one