O-Train Line 1/3 [Stage 2 | West Extension | Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[Admiral Nelson]

Apologies if this has been answered somewhere, but do we know when the bus detours for stage 2 extensions are set to begin? Any in 2020?

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

In summary—

Answer Type A: "That aspect of the project can't be changed because it has already been determined."

Answer Type B: "That aspect of the project is yet to be determined."

In the next public session, more Type B answers will be moved up to Type A until the project is finished and they all conform to that answer.

Good Day.



EnJoy!

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

In summary—

Answer Type A: "That aspect of the project can't be changed because it has already been determined."

Answer Type B: "That aspect of the project is yet to be determined."

In the next public session, more Type B answers will be moved up to Type A until the project is finished and they all conform to that answer.

This is a good way for dealing with public consultation.

It is either too early or too late to comment that will make any difference.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

An Announcement of a subcontractor to EWC - two links of the same news release :

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news...o-the-city-of-ottawa-to-desig-1028780295

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/bi...the-confederation-line-ex-842020384.html

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EnJoy!

Good Day.

Furthur to Bird Construction.....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ransomware-bird-construction-military-1.5434308

Ransomware attack on construction company raises questions about federal contracts
Catharine Tunney · CBC News · Posted: Jan 26, 2020 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago

A construction company that's won millions of dollars worth of contracts with the military and other federal departments has been hit by a ransomware attack — raising questions about how the federal government does businesses with outside firms open to cyberattacks.

Ransomware attacks involve malicious software used to cripple a target's computer system to solicit a cash payment. Last month, a group known as Maze — infamous for publicly shaming victims until they pay up — claimed to have run a successful strike against the Toronto-based company Bird Construction, stealing 60 GBs of data.

"Bird Construction responded to a cyber incident that resulted in the encryption of company files," wrote a company spokesperson in an email to CBC.

"Bird continued to function with no business impact, and we worked with leading cyber security experts to restore access to the affected files."

The company wouldn't say whether they paid their cyber-assailants — something police forces warn against.

A company spokesperson said government officials were notified at the time of the breach.

While it doesn't appear that any secure government files were compromised in the hack, the Bird case raises concerns about how secure government contracts are as the number of ransomware incidents multiplies.

Between 2006 and 2015, Bird scored 48 contracts with the Department of National Defence totalling more than $406 million. Bird also helped build the RCMP's Surrey detachment headquarters and has done work for Public Services and Procurement Canada.

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EnJoy!

[le calmar]

I noticed yesterday they are currently cutting trees along the SJAM parway.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

We all know that the very expensive Baseline underground station was designed long before we knew what we were going to do with Phase 2. How could we possibly expect to have this really work well? Time will tell.

Looking at the roughed-in entrances, it looks like they built the tunnel still thinking platforms would be 180 meters. I better understand why they shifted the platform south.

Ideally, they would build the main entrance where the largest rough-in is situated. This would make it possible to build the pedestrian bridge from the College to the station aligned with the existing one crossing Woodroffe. The second entrance (fare paid zone) could be south of College Avenue, with the bus loop going around the station entrance.



Instead, they came up with the worst possible design, with a sprawling single story entrance in the plaza behind the college and a pedestrian bridge going to the bus loop entrance, forcing college students to walk as far as possible. I guess they think the majority of Algonquin College students live in Barrhaven.



https://www.otrainfans.ca/confederation-stations/southwest/baseline

[OCCheetos]

The rendering raises a lot of questions as to how the line would continue south from there.

The tracks would end right under the larger station building there, but where do they go from there? Do they just fill in the end of the tunnel? Cover it up? Either way, sounds more expensive than it needs to be.

Maybe this is a station that will receive a major revised design like Uplands did...

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Yes, this is going to be an issue. How will, if it's ever built, the Baseline Transitway bus routes loop around Algonquin Station, I don't know. With the current design, there is no way it can ever be done efficiently.

I said I wouldn't get into it, but I guess I can't resist. As far as I know, (coming from the east) buses will:

• Turn left on Navaho
• Turn right at Navaho/Navaho
• Turn left at Woodroffe
• Turn right at College
• Turn left at the station (circulate clockwise)
• Turn left on college
• Turn right on a new road through the City parking lot
• Turn left on Navaho
• Turn right on Constellation
• Turn left on Baseline

Madness

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

The rendering raises a lot of questions as to how the line would continue south from there.

The tracks would end right under the larger station building there, but where do they go from there? Do they just fill in the end of the tunnel? Cover it up? Either way, sounds more expensive than it needs to be.

As far as I know they are extending the tunnel underneath the bus loop (at great expense), so it can be extended even further south in the future.

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Maybe this is a station that will receive a major revised design like Uplands did...

God I hope so...

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

As far as I know they are extending the tunnel underneath the bus loop (at great expense), so it can be extended even further south in the future.



God I hope so...

Does this mean we will be tunneling all the way to the south side of Hunt Club?

[Mikeed]

I have no idea how that bridge will connect to the rest of ACCE building. Considering that the bridge appears to connect to the build right at a 3 story atrium and the horribly narrow staircase.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Does this mean we will be tunneling all the way to the south side of Hunt Club?

No, that is still TBD by the Barrhaven LRT EA. Elevated is also still an option for the section south of Baseline.

[TransitZilla]

Re: the 88/Baseline BRT route connection at Algonquin (Baseline):

The most efficient through routing would be for them to remain on Navaho, and stop at the north end of the station- I assume there will be an entrance there?

The problem with that is that anyone connecting to another bus (rather than to the train) would have a pretty long walk, and they would not be within the fare-paid zone. It would also remove the current service through the Algonquin campus. There is going to be a trade off between the speed of through service and serving the large volume of people at Algonquin.

[OTownandDown]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

As far as I know they are extending the tunnel underneath the bus loop (at great expense), so it can be extended even further south in the future.



God I hope so...

I mean, you just need to cut-and-cover until you're out from under the bus loop, then surface running until you reach the townhouses at Medhurst, and Underground station at Hunt Club to service the sportsplex AND the neighborhoods to the south, and then you're blasting again across the farm above-grade.

for all the intersections (Tallwood, the train tracks, etc.) can we just split the difference with a small cut and a smol bridge? Or maybe just a trench, because the NIMBY's are going to have a FIELD DAY with this.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Re: the 88/Baseline BRT route connection at Algonquin (Baseline):

The most efficient through routing would be for them to remain on Navaho, and stop at the north end of the station- I assume there will be an entrance there?

The problem with that is that anyone connecting to another bus (rather than to the train) would have a pretty long walk, and they would not be within the fare-paid zone. It would also remove the current service through the Algonquin campus. There is going to be a trade off between the speed of through service and serving the large volume of people at Algonquin.

See below. In blue is where the 88 should run (as you say remaining on Navaho). However, because they located the train platform so far south it would be a 150m walk even to the north station entrance. In fuchsia is the route of the 88 based on the Baseline BRT EA and the Confederation Line public consultation.

[Multi-modal]

What's the solution?

This is rough, but essentially:

1. Move the station platform (black rectangle) and entrances (red) further north.
2. Enclose a large portion of the plaza west of the ACCE building as a fare paid zone (black outline), while still maintaining non fare-paid access to the ACCE building from the west.
3. Route 88 is outside of the fare paid zone but close to other bus connections and the station entrances. If they wanted to spend a bunch of money they could punch through the tunnel from the median of Navaho for a fare-paid connection from the median busway.
4. Route buses from the south (shown in purple) clockwise around the ACCE building
5. Use/expand existing bus layover locations.
6. Save millions of dollars

[lrt's friend]

also, less infrastructure in the way for southward extension of LRT beyond Baseline. ie, no bus terminal built in the way.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

What's the solution?

This is rough, but essentially:

1. Move the station platform (black rectangle) and entrances (red) further north.
2. Enclose a large portion of the plaza west of the ACCE building as a fare paid zone (black outline), while still maintaining non fare-paid access to the ACCE building from the west.
3. Route 88 is outside of the fare paid zone but close to other bus connections and the station entrances. If they wanted to spend a bunch of money they could punch through the tunnel from the median of Navaho for a fare-paid connection from the median busway.
4. Route buses from the south (shown in purple) clockwise around the ACCE building
5. Use/expand existing bus layover locations.
6. Save millions of dollars

This seems like a good solution.

If they insist on a mega bus loop, which I don't think is necessary post-Stage 2, they could build it north of Navaho (and shift underground station north, as you proposed, but with a fare-paid pedestrian bridge from the north entrance to the bus loop), providing a much easier route for Baseline Transitway routes.

If they do stick with the complicated layout they have now, they could build a pedestrian walkway from the platform to the northern most rough-in to provide a third exist serving the Baseline Transitway. This would be similar to the Waterfront Station Canada Line north entrance.

[Richard Eade]

There seem to be some considerations that are missing from this plan:

Perhaps the biggest being that OC Transpo decided long ago to run its buses along Service Road and College Avenue, through Algonquin College’s campus. The Baseline BRT buses will not be crossing Woodroffe at Navaho Drive. Despite, originally, building the Navaho Drive structure over the train/bus cut (The bridge structures at each end of the ‘tunnel’ are separate from the ‘tunnel’ structure.) wide enough to handle bus stops, this idea was quickly dropped and College Avenue became the preferred bus routing. In fact, the City asked Algonquin College, which agreed, to turn their ACCE building around so that its loading bays were accessed from Navaho Drive, instead of the originally designed access from College Avenue.

Second, this plan does not take into account that the current ‘Temporary’ Baseline Station will need to be moved so that Algonquin College’s Health Sciences building(s) can be built. The City is, simply, borrowing the land (that they sold to Algonquin College) until the City gets the permanent Baseline Station built.

At this point in time, there are few options; the new Baseline Station WILL be built south of College Avenue with the buses looping clock-wise around it. All of this, including the bus loop, will be built on a new structure creating a southerly extension of the ‘tunnel’. Further tunneling or a ramp up to grade or an elevated rail line can easily be built south of the new station structure, since buses will access the station from College Avenue. The portion of College Avenue immediately in front of the new station may (more likely, will) be designated as ‘Bus Only’.

[Aside: Since the Baseline Station is getting so far removed from Baseline Road, I would prefer the new station to be called ‘College Station’; since it is the primary stop for Algonquin College, is in College Ward and is at College Avenue.]

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Richard Eade

[Aside: Since the Baseline Station is getting so far removed from Baseline Road, I would prefer the new station to be called ‘College Station’; since it is the primary stop for Algonquin College, is in College Ward and is at College Avenue.]

It is most likely going to be renamed "Algonquin Station".