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Old Posted Feb 18, 2020, 8:07 PM
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I talked to David Jeanes today and he said the trains were messed up this morning again.

He also said the Next Train signage was producing nonsense numbers for the next train arrival.

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Old Posted Feb 18, 2020, 10:07 PM
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I talked to David Jeanes today and he said the trains were messed up this morning again.

He also said the Next Train signage was producing nonsense numbers for the next train arrival.
Experienced both on my way to work.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 12:52 AM
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I talked to David Jeanes today and he said the trains were messed up this morning again.

He also said the Next Train signage was producing nonsense numbers for the next train arrival.
Still the case into the late evening. Also noticed that some (not all) trains were displaying "offroute" on their exterior destination signage. Interior signage was correctly displaying the next station, however.

Other thing I noticed was drastically reduced speeds, anyone know the specific reason for this? Seems to be a semi-regular occurrence now which is unfortunate.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 5:55 PM
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The four east-end councillors met at Blair Station with Scrimgeour to improve platform capacity. Some bus stops going to similar areas will be grouped together, so riders have some choices - happening in April. #ottnews
https://twitter.com/jchianello/status/1230187855990972416

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Also making changes to Hurdman station on March 8. Also replacing an old elevator on the east side, which has been failing "an unreasonable amount of time," says Scrimgeour. #ottnews
https://twitter.com/jchianello/status/1230188287035400193

And the following has been discussed at length on the forum:

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That elevator replacement is at Blair (which makes sense, as you see it on
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as being down fairly often). #ottnews
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 6:19 PM
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A little extra info from Kate Porter:

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Re. Blair's bus platforms. Scrimgeour met with east-end councillors and agreed on ways to ease congestion:
- changes to which routes serve which stops to use space better, group them geographically, coming April 19
- replace old elevator on north side (it's been failing)
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- Blair Stn. getting some new shelters
- looking at building an extra, third staircase to southbound platform.
https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1230189045671747584

That third staircase at Blair is desperately needed.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 6:56 PM
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Some info just provided about the "debris" from Friday. It was a bracket that came loose from the bottom of a train and took out the transponders. They have since checked the full fleet to ensure the brackets are fully affixed properly.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 7:35 PM
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This morning the commute was horrible. They were go slow on purpose, waiting for a minute or two at every station. Not sure what was up....
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 8:06 PM
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For anyone who hears about this and is wondering, when they say the "14th/15th train(s) is being tested and is close to being ready for service" they are referring to Stage 2 trains at this point. (This was confirmed by Corvulpes on Reddit).

Apparently they need 4 trains set aside to test software upgrades during the "engineering time", and obviously the struggle to keep more than 13 of the existing fleet in service at this point in time, so trains 14 and 15 will almost certainly be coming from the Stage 2 fleet.


I'll note that in my opinion, this doesn't mean that the two additional trains for Stage 2 were purchased with this in mind... this is just a solution to getting more capacity on the line.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 8:48 PM
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This morning the commute was horrible. They were go slow on purpose, waiting for a minute or two at every station. Not sure what was up....
Interesting, I was caught off guard during yesterday's PM peak commute. The doors were being held open for a fraction of their usual time e.g. at Parliament it seems like 15 seconds vs. the usual 45 or so seconds. I almost didn't get on in time and people were left behind. Same thing happened at all the other stations.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 11:32 PM
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Passionate interview with Carole Ann Meehan about transit on CBC TV News, just finished. She has personally given up on transit. Too slow, too unreliable. She said we would have been better off in investing in better bus service criss-crossing the city but we cannot go back.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 20, 2020, 12:04 AM
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RTG tries to make headway on recurring LRT problems but jolted by one-off mishaps

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: February 19, 2020


From stinky tunnel stations to trains losing power, the Rideau Transit Group (RTG) has its hands full trying to find the root causes plaguing the $2.1-billion Confederation Line.

And just when the LRT contractor seems to make headway on solving some of the problems, like debugging shaky computer systems and MacGyvering a new heater setup for track switches, it finds itself responding to freakish calamities.

The transit commission on Wednesday received an update on the LRT system and all that ails it.

Transit customers have grown familiar with the list of recurring flaws: jammed train doors, flat wheels, stuck switches, smelly stations, wonky software. There are multiple task forces at RTG trying to find root causes for the problems.

But it’s the one-off woes — especially odd for a five-month-old cutting-edge transit system — that continue to baffle transit overseers at city hall.

Take last Friday as another example.

A speed sensor attached to the bottom of a train loosened, dragged and damaged four transponders on the tracks between Tunney’s Pasture and Blair stations. The transponders provide critical information about where a train is located. When four transponders conk out, the system turns on trains’ emergency brakes, and when a train’s emergency brake is activated, there’s a greater chance the wheels will develop flat spots.

As it turned out, nine single cars (two cars make up one train) developed flat spots, causing service delays into Saturday.

Peter Lauch, the chief executive of Rideau Transit Maintenance, the RTG maintenance affiliate, said workers examined all the brackets holding the speed sensors in place on every train to make sure that doesn’t happen again.

Then there’s a mystery emergency brake issue that’s causing the train wheels to develop flat spots. Expert consultant JBA Corp. is leading that investigation for RTG.

Lauch said many of the emergency braking issues seem to be related to wintry weather, like Ottawa experienced on Tuesday, when LRT officials invoked a special brake and acceleration system that essentially reduced train speeds.

But emergency brakes can also turn on when the guideway intrusion detection system is activated by an object at the end of station platforms or at the tunnel portals. The system might be so sensitive that it’s tripped by horizontal blowing snow, the commission heard. On Tuesday, during the heavy snowfall, RTG and the city agreed to temporarily turn off the system and use workers as the detectors at the end of the stations.

The other head-scratcher is electrical arcing where the overhead power lines connect with the trains, especially in rough winter weather.

Lauch said an inductor allows the electrical current to be filtered to the train. Workers have cleaned the inductors of grit and salt, which officials believe might have been causing the arcing. There were also cracks discovered in the inductors. RTG is installing devices to better protect the inductors and workers are inspecting them more frequently. However, the long-term solution is replacing all the inductors and that will take another year, Lauch said.

On the stink at Parliament and Rideau stations, RTG is still trying to figure out where the smells are coming from, although officials think they’ve figured it out at Rideau Station. Lauch said staff found an ineffective gasket in a sump pit in a mechanical room.

It’s a different story at Parliament Station, where officials still don’t know where the occasional stink is coming from. They’re now starting to look at possible sources at the surface, checking if a stench is floating into the tunnel through the ventilation system.

The city is keen on getting a 14th train on the line during the peak periods. Apparently there’s a small dispute about the train’s readiness between the city and RTG.

City transportation general manager John Manconi said outstanding issues are related to ride comfort and they aren’t complicated. Lauch agreed and he said they hope to resolve the issues before the end of the week.

There is a bit of good news about some of the regular LRT problems.

The computer systems for trains and tracks signals are performing much better. When it comes to the train doors, RTG will soon install new software that will hopefully reduce the number of malfunctions. RTG believes it has found a way to redesign the track switch heaters to make them more effective in winter weather.

The state of the Stage 1 LRT system could impact the other work piling up at Transpo headquarters.

Manconi has presented 12 priorities as part of Transpo’s 2020 business plan.

However, the success of the latest “Manconi dozen” largely hinges on the stability of the Confederation Line.

Manconi said he’s concerned about the “constant demands” of the LRT system, but the agency has other projects to tackle. Transpo has been redirecting staff and hiring consultants to help.

One part of the Manconi dozen is an “alternative fuels” program for the bus service.

Transpo is days away from releasing a request for proposals on electric buses. At least two electric buses will be added to the fleet by the end of 2020 and a review period will end with a report at the end of 2021. Eventually council will receive a white paper from staff on how much a full electric bus fleet would cost.

One of the 12 priorities, the first LRT regulatory and compliance report, is already done.

In fact, Transpo received a glowing review from LRT regulatory monitor and compliance officer Sam Berrada, who said the agency’s in-class and fielding training is “robust.” Berrada, who’s an outside consultant, monitors compliance when it comes to LRT safety and security.

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Not exclusively related to the O-Train, but this excerpt from the below article is very positive news, for me at least.

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OC Transpo also plans to install self-serve Presto kiosks at various Transitway stations and city buildings, and will look at the possibility of allowing riders to tap credit cards when they board a bus or train.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/oc-transpo-2020-business-plan-risks-1.5468384
     
     
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"The city is keen on getting a 14th train on the line during the peak periods. Apparently there’s a small dispute about the train’s readiness between the city and RTG."

Ooooh, finally a small update on this mysterious matter.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 20, 2020, 3:50 PM
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Some improvements (may be) coming to Blair Station. They will be re-distributing bus routes to improve the flow of passengers down on the narrow platform. Other changes the City will be looking into, but no funds yet allocated for:
  • Replacing shelters with canopies, to reduce obstacles along the bus platform;
  • One or two new elevators on the north side to replace the unreliable 1989 elevator;
  • A new set of stairs from the train platform to the fare-paid bus platform.

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Blair station 'nightmare' fix approved — now it needs money

OC Transpo has a plan to fix overcrowded platforms, add elevators

CBC News · Posted: Feb 20, 2020 8:59 AM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago

The main problem at the Blair LRT station occurs during the afternoon rush hour as east-end residents try to transfer to buses to get home.

After getting off the LRT at its eastern end, throngs of commuters scurry down one flight of stairs to catch their buses on a narrow platform, often pushed into the shelters that dot the platform or choosing to venture onto the roadway as they jostle to get on a bus.

Orléans resident Elia Villamayor said she has bumped into people going in the opposite direction and will try to walk behind the shelters where there is a half-metre gap — but it's a tight squeeze.

"It's a little slow going when it's busy," she said.

OC Transpo has stationed supervisors in fluorescent yellow jackets at Blair to try to maintain safety and stop people from venturing onto the road where the buses drop off and pick up.

Changes are coming in mid-April with the new spring schedule.

Pat Scrimgeour, OC Transpo's director of transit customer systems and planning, said bus stops will be reconfigured at Blair to group people travelling in the same direction.

Orléans Coun. Matthew Luloff says it will bring order to a chaotic transfer point.

"It's been a complete nightmare," he said.

"Splitting the traffic on the way out the door [means] people that are going to the west and to the north of Orléans will go left and everybody else will go right. It will make a massive, massive difference."

Removing shelters

OC Transpo also has plans to increase space on the platform by removing the shelters and replacing them with a long canopy and wind barriers.

Money for the proposed canopies has yet to be earmarked.

Management is looking at a new set of stairs on the other end of the station to disperse commuters as they exit the LRT.

Meanwhile, Beacon Hill-Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney is pushing for a new pair of elevators on the north side of Blair station.

There is only one elevator on the north platform and it was installed when the transit station first opened in 1989.

Tierney said the "rinky-dink" elevator often breaks down and when it doesn't work, OC Transpo has to call in a bus to take people who can't easily take the stairs to the south platform to board the LRT and back again.

The distance between the two platforms is about thirty metres.

"Adding in a brand new elevator [means] when one breaks down you'll still have a second one," said Tierney.

"There's a lot of opportunity there. It's going to change how that station operates and with the amount of volume there right now, frankly it's required. I want to see it come sooner rather than later."

Building a new set of elevators will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. OC Transpo said it hopes to get the money from the city's infrastructure budget, but that spending has to be approved by city council.

Tierney said he's confident council will vote in favour of the elevators and new canopy, but it could be months before the improvements are made.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/bl...85Gs-GNl5lvOKSmN1hgPCtsQpznwK21gSuQqvnPI
     
     
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Not exclusively related to the O-Train, but this excerpt from the below article is very positive news, for me at least.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/oc-transpo-2020-business-plan-risks-1.5468384
Installing fare machines at Transitway Stations is a great initiative. I'd also be happy to see fare gates at Transitway Stations (SE and future Cumberland Transitway, maybe not Barrhaven and Kanata since they are next in line for conversion).

Allowing the use of credit cards to board transit sounds like a Presto problem. Preston is well behind many other "smart" card systems, and I don't think OC Transpo has any power over their Metrolinx overlords.
     
     
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Installing fare machines at Transitway Stations is a great initiative. I'd also be happy to see fare gates at Transitway Stations (SE and future Cumberland Transitway, maybe not Barrhaven and Kanata since they are next in line for conversion).

Allowing the use of credit cards to board transit sounds like a Presto problem. Preston is well behind many other "smart" card systems, and I don't think OC Transpo has any power over their Metrolinx overlords.
There have been fare machines at all the SE Transitway stations for 2 years but they still haven't been activated.

I do think this is a good initiative; I'd like to see the fare machines at all Park & Rides, the bus terminal on Catherine, even the Museum of History in Gatineau to help with the STO/OC fare interchange issue.

I'm excited about the possibility of open payment (credit/debit).
     
     
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It is amazing how all three major transfer stations were poorly designed for the number of passengers who have to use them. And soon, we will facing more detours that will affect access to Blair and Tunney's Pasture, and Bayview will basically be out of action for over 2 years entirely.

Like everything else with the Confederation Line, we should have over-configured to be on the safe side and to prepare for future growth. Instead, we made some very bad assumptions and hoped that cost savings on the design would still provide sufficient capacity. This should never be the way we do things on such a massive change involving the biggest infrastructure project in city history. Over design, never under design.

Are we going to repeat these fundamental errors on Phase 2?

My experience with the Trillium Line was good today. But still the Carling station digital sign only offered next train information in one direction. I guess they will just forget about fixing this with shutdown looming in just 2 months.
     
     
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It is amazing how all three major transfer stations were poorly designed for the number of passengers who have to use them. And soon, we will facing more detours that will affect access to Blair and Tunney's Pasture, and Bayview will basically be out of action for over 2 years entirely.

Like everything else with the Confederation Line, we should have over-configured to be on the safe side and to prepare for future growth. Instead, we made some very bad assumptions and hoped that cost savings on the design would still provide sufficient capacity. This should never be the way we do things on such a massive change involving the biggest infrastructure project in city history. Over design, never under design.

Are we going to repeat these fundamental errors on Phase 2?
For Phase 1, Tunney's and Blair I can live with as temporary. Hurdman has always made me mad/sad. There are so many ways they could have improved the design given the space they had to work with. The percentage of time during the peaks that the layover spaces are full also has me worried. Will the number of layover spaces limit service on the SE Transitway in the future?

A lot of the upcoming transfer stations are being over-designed, but also terribly designed (Baseline especially, Lincoln Fields).
     
     
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