Canadian Airport Thread

[zahav]

Turkish Airlines schedules Vancouver launch in June 2020
By Jim Liu

Posted 5 February 2020 14:00

Turkish Airlines this week opened reservation for Istanbul – Vancouver service, marking the addition of its 3rd Canadian route. The Star Alliance carrier plans to operate Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft on this route from 09JUN20, 3 times weekly.

TK075 IST1405 – 1550YVR 789 247
TK076 YVR1720 – 1450+1IST 789 247

Reservation is currently available until 22OCT20 inclusive.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...schedules-vancouver-launch-in-june-2020/

Nice to finally have some good airport news, it hasn't been a good aviation world so far this year with the Iran crash, the Max grounding, Coronavirus etc. And this is definitely a welcome addition for YVR, need more links to that part of the world, we have nothing currently!

[craneSpotter]

Hmmm... interesting ... wonder how Swoop will respond?

Flair offers $700 unlimited-travel pass as budget airline competition heats up

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...avel-pass-as-budget-airline-competition/

Flair Airlines Ltd. is offering passengers an unlimited travel pass for three months amid rising competition between budget carriers.

The flight pass costs $700 and opens the gate to limitless domestic flights between Feb. 13 and May 13. A $500 version has some blackout dates and excludes flights on Fridays and Sundays.

Edmonton-based Flair offers routes between seven cities, all in Western Canada except for Toronto.

[J81]

Originally Posted by zahav

That 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 who faked the Coronavirus claim openly admitted he did it in order to make a viral video (mind the pun). What a POS, seriously self-entitled losers like him should have the book thrown at them! All those other people suffered because he wanted to be a millenial idiot (sorry no offence to other millenials lol). Seriously read this full article, it will make your blood boil. He even had done a previous thing on a flight before, WTF?!:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6503789/false-coronavirus-claim-passenger-westjet-toronto-jamaica/

Sadly this is the state of the world and these people will eventually run countries!

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by zahav

That 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 who faked the Coronavirus claim openly admitted he did it in order to make a viral video (mind the pun). What a POS, seriously self-entitled losers like him should have the book thrown at them! All those other people suffered because he wanted to be a millenial idiot (sorry no offence to other millenials lol). Seriously read this full article, it will make your blood boil. He even had done a previous thing on a flight before, WTF?!:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6503789/false-coronavirus-claim-passenger-westjet-toronto-jamaica/

Glad that he's facing criminal charges. Hopefully he gets jail time, a permanent criminal record, and has to pay money damages to the airline, to every passenger he's affected, as well as punitive damages. $50,000 at least. He should be banned for life from air travel, airports, and all forms of public transportation.

[JakeLRS]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Hmmm... interesting ... wonder how Swoop will respond?

I doubt swoop will respond. At most they’ll price match or be cheaper like they’ve always done.

Only route swoop and flair compete on is YEG-YXX.

[SignalHillHiker]

Apologies to whoever was annoyed I talk about this... BUT I'm delighted and surprised to see the campaign has a lot of Irish support. Most of the various Facebook groups and petitions are led by Irish people, and they're probably a solid 20% of the membership of all the various groups. It's still nothing, of course, and you could pull 1,000 people off the sidewalk over there and not find a single one with any idea about this, but I'm still glad to see that minuscule fraction of them present.

[BenYOW]

WestJet Link's next destination is announced: Dawson Creek, British Columbia. Link flights to Prince George are also being switched to WestJet Encore.

WestJet News Release

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Hmmm... interesting ... wonder how Swoop will respond?

Flair offers $700 unlimited-travel pass as budget airline competition heats up

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...avel-pass-as-budget-airline-competition/

Ah yes, everyone remember Jetsgo?

[MacLac]

Originally Posted by BenYOW

WestJet Link's next destination is announced: Dawson Creek, British Columbia. Link flights to Prince George are also being switched to WestJet Encore.

WestJet News Release

Not sure why...CMA pulled their flight years ago....it's not even an airport...strip more like.....charter only. Oh well...guess if EnCana, Tourmaline, Shell or ARC are in a pinch they can pay the outrageous "last minute" fairs like they'll probably do. John is 45 min up the road and already has WJ....

[BenYOW]

Originally Posted by MacLac

Not sure why...CMA pulled their flight years ago....it's not even an airport...strip more like.....charter only. Oh well...guess if EnCana, Tourmaline, Shell or ARC are in a pinch they can pay the outrageous "last minute" fairs like they'll probably do. John is 45 min up the road and already has WJ....

Two points:
1) Dawson Creek is a Certified Airport.
2) Central Mountain Air runs scheduled passenger services from Prince George.

Presumably WestJet has studied the market and sees a viable business case for the route, which will be tested once they commence service. It is interesting, like you've said, given that Dawson Creek is located midway between Fort St. John and Grande Prairie, both with scheduled services.

[MacLac]

Originally Posted by BenYOW

Two points:
1) Dawson Creek is a Certified Airport.
2) Central Mountain Air runs scheduled passenger services from Prince George.

Presumably WestJet has studied the market and sees a viable business case for the route, which will be tested once they commence service. It is interesting, like you've said, given that Dawson Creek is located midway between Fort St. John and Grande Prairie, both with scheduled services.

I know it's a "certified airport" - I worked outside of there for 6 years and flew from John every 2 weeks. Yes, of course CMA has flights from PG and from Edmonton...what's your point? I said they don't fly to Dawson anymore. I also flew charter from Dawson alternatively on the EnCana Sun West charter...but if that was full I had to CMA it out of John to YEG. Dawson is a complete and utter sh*thole. This "business" case you speak of....means that WJ has a spare SAAB that's not flying and it might as well run on this route. All Gas facilities construction around Dawson and John is on hold until Shell's Kitimat opens in 5 years.....and at the point the entire area will busy with "BILLIONS" of facility work, but until that time Dawson is a deadzone and any marginal activity from "Site C" dam is flown via John......

[BenYOW]

Originally Posted by MacLac

I know it's a "certified airport" - I worked outside of there for 6 years and flew from John every 2 weeks. Yes, of course CMA has flights from PG and from Edmonton...what's your point? I said they don't fly to Dawson anymore. I also flew charter from Dawson alternatively on the EnCana Sun West charter...but if that was full I had to CMA it out of John to YEG. Dawson is a complete and utter sh*thole. This "business" case you speak of....means that WJ has a spare SAAB that's not flying and it might as well run on this route. All Gas facilities construction around Dawson and John is on hold until Shell's Kitimat opens in 5 years.....and at the point the entire area will busy with "BILLIONS" of facility work, but until that time Dawson is a deadzone and any marginal activity from "Site C" dam is flown via John......

Thanks for sharing your local experience. I was clarifying that CMA does have service from Dawson Creek to Prince George, and that the Airport is more than just a "strip" - i.e. it has to be maintained to the standards of a Certified Airport. On the business case, you could be right - I don't work at WestJet but if the route proves to be viable, then more power to them.

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by BenYOW

Two points:
1) Dawson Creek is a Certified Airport.
2) Central Mountain Air runs scheduled passenger services from Prince George.

Presumably WestJet has studied the market and sees a viable business case for the route, which will be tested once they commence service. It is interesting, like you've said, given that Dawson Creek is located midway between Fort St. John and Grande Prairie, both with scheduled services.

We are talking about the same airline that thought YXU-YUL would work out for them.

[hollywoodcory]

Wondering if WS is now announcing the summer schedule changes by city instead of one big one. The only changes they've announced today are all YYC based. And none of them are loaded in the GDS yet.

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by MacLac

This "business" case you speak of....means that WJ has a spare SAAB that's not flying and it might as well run on this route.

Westjet Link is actually operated by Pacific Coastal Airlines. WestJet has a Capacity Purchase Agreement (CPA) with them, and the planes do not belong to WestJet.

Pacific Coastal makes money flying the passengers for WestJet and supplies the aircraft and crews - while WJ schedules, markets & prices the route, taking a booking fee. The hope for WJ is the PAX are connecting onward from YYC or YVR.

A CPA is an agreement by where an airline outsources a portion of its business to another company. Much like wet leasing, but usually over longer terms, this is a model that is fundamental to the regional aviation market in the US. Brands like American Eagle, Delta Connection and United Express fulfill the needs of the regional market, without the risk to the big airlines of running a very different fleet in a very different marketplace.

[rbt]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Pacific Coastal Makes money flying the passengers for WestJet while WJ takes a booking fee - the hope for WJ is the PAX are connecting onward from YYC or YVR.

That's a bonus. The booking fee itself is quite lucrative since it's nearly pure profit.

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by rbt

That's a bonus. The booking fee itself is quite lucrative since it's nearly pure profit.

Yes, and it spreads the risks... but... if the route is unsuccessful (underbooked) Westjet can lose money.

Under the CPA Pacific Coastal's (PCA) seats are 'purchased' by Westjet. So if WJ doesn't fill the plane - they still pay a 'set' fee per seat (or per flight). This agreement is also good for PCA, as it protects them from variations in passenger loads and fuel/ticket prices.

[zahav]

WS is really pushing the YYC hub with feeder flights, since the actual Calgary market is probably not doing great right now with the economy. They are clearly trying to see how well the domestic destinations feed into the international expansion. The fact that they will have four weekly Rome flights, while YVR and SEA have none and even SFO only has 6 per week, and that isn't even on United, it's 3 each on Alitalia and Norwegian. And there will be very little inbound traffic from Rome to YYC, so it's all leisure. Will be interesting to see if it can succeed

[craneSpotter]

Hey, speaking of regional airlines and Capacity Purchase Agreements (CPA).... Air Georgian is in trouble after Air Canada is letting its CPA expire. Air Canada Express is now operated by 3 'regional airlines' with CPAs .. with Jazz Aviation (Chorus) being the largest. Jazz is actually Canada's 3rd largest airline - the Skywest of Canada!


Air Georgian, sub-contractor that flew 1.5 million Air Canada passengers a year, heading toward bankruptcy protection

https://business.financialpost.com/trans...ear-heading-toward-bankruptcy-protection

Air Georgian operated 63,000 short-haul flights annually under the Air Canada Express banner to destinations in Canada and in the U.S., a little-known cost-cutting practice followed by most large “mainline” airlines.

But Air Canada quietly announced last year it was winding up the “capacity purchase agreement (CPA)” and transferring the work to Jazz Aviation, though the accord was later extended by a few months

[q12]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Air Canada Express is now operated by 3 'regional airlines' with CPAs .. with Jazz Aviation (Chorus) being the largest. Jazz is actually Canada's 3rd largest airline - the Skywest of Canada!

And Jazz is headquartered in Halifax.