YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 748

jollyburger · #**14941** Posted **Feb 2, 2020, 2:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

The A220 was certified for ETOPS180 mins by Transport Canada barely a year ago. If AC so wished, they could deploy the A220 to Hawaii within a few months. Pilot training would be the biggest hurdle. The rest is just maintenance (which AC knows very well) and paperwork.

The engine issues on the Swiss A220s were software related. They were quickly fixed.

The changes are being released in April and only affected certain Swiss routes because of the altitude.

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Neither the A220 plane nor the engine have been grounded but Airbus and Pratt & Whitney have told pilots not to push engines above 95% of their maximum thrust when flying above 29,000 feet - a demanding configuration currently required only by Swiss.

"It's a very strange and very complex issue that occurs at high altitude and high speeds," added Webb, who spoke on the sidelines of an Air Canada AC.TO event in Montreal.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/pratt-wh...ngine-on-a220-jet-in-spring-2020-01-15-0

thenoflyzone · #**14942** Posted **Feb 3, 2020, 10:17 PM**

YVR published December and full year 2019 figures.

https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2019/12-december/traffic-update.pdf

December 2019: 2,155,151 +4.4%

2019 total: 26,395,820 +1.8%

connect2source · #**14943** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 12:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR published December and full year 2019 figures.

https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2019/12-december/traffic-update.pdf

December 2019: 2,155,151 +4.4%

2019 total: 26,395,820 +1.8%

So up about 460K from 25,936,907 ( 2018 ) not bad considering the MAX debacle and China issues. I do suspect 2020 will be down with the combination of the above factors plus the coronavirus.

twoNeurons · #**14944** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 1:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

The A220 was certified for ETOPS180 mins by Transport Canada barely a year ago. If AC so wished, they could deploy the A220 to Hawaii within a few months. Pilot training would be the biggest hurdle. The rest is just maintenance (which AC knows very well) and paperwork.

The engine issues on the Swiss A220s were software related. They were quickly fixed.

There's also the thought that Hawaiian may replace a lot of their aging 717s with A220 and start serving flying them as both inter-island routes and long and skinny routes to 2nd-tier cities. I doubt they'd come to YVR given the competition, but you never know.

The A220 is more efficient and has FAR more range than the 717.

jollyburger · #**14945** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 2:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

There's also the thought that Hawaiian may replace a lot of their aging 717s with A220 and start serving flying them as both inter-island routes and long and skinny routes to 2nd-tier cities. I doubt they'd come to YVR given the competition, but you never know.

The A220 is more efficient and has FAR more range than the 717.

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While Hawaiian owns 15 of its 717s outright, five are leased. The airline extended those leases into 2025 at at the end of 2019.

“By extending our 717 leases to the middle of the decade, we are indicating that we are not planning to replace this fleet in the next five years,” Ingram said. It’s the first time the airline has publicly hinted that the end of its 717 era may be in sight.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/hawaiian-boeing-717-fleet/

Johnny Aussie · #**14946** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 2:58 AM**

Surprisingly strong finish to 2020 tbh.

Wouldn't have expected December to be up 4.4%. Strong December for Europe too.

Full year result has every sector up as well.

And international increased to over 13.7 million. For anyone following SEA as well and there seems to be a few.... they finished the year with 5.7 million international pax.

Still by far third busiest intl airport in the west coast of NA.

More intl pax than huge US cities with fortess hubs like ATL, DFW, IAH, BOS, PHL, IAD and not far behind ORD etc... Not bad for a city of only 2.7 million!

Obviously 2020 will be a fascinating year... same here in Australia - so much uncertainty.

thenoflyzone · #**14947** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 4:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

There's also the thought that Hawaiian may replace a lot of their aging 717s with A220 and start serving flying them as both inter-island routes and long and skinny routes to 2nd-tier cities. I doubt they'd come to YVR given the competition, but you never know.

The A220 is more efficient and has FAR more range than the 717.

Nothing can take the beating of short hop flying - 8 to 10 cycle days- like the MD80, of which the B717 originated.

The B717s at Hawaiian are there to stay for a number of more years. Nothing on the current market can truly replace them. The CEO even says so in that very same article you quoted.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

And international increased to over 13.7 million. For anyone following SEA as well and there seems to be a few.... they finished the year with 5.7 million international pax.

It’s not SEA you should watch out for....

trofirhen · #**14948** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 5:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

It’s not SEA you should watch out for....

Which begs the question: if not SEA, the which city/ airport? CCY Calgary? ... or another? May we know? Thank you

SpongeG · #**14949** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 5:43 AM**

In another article I read it says 3000 flights a day have been cancelled.

Coronavirus tips jet fuel margins into biggest monthly fall in over a decade
Koustav Samanta

https://www.journalpioneer.com/business/...st-monthly-fall-in-over-a-decade-406037/

Hourglass · #**14950** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 5:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Which begs the question: if not SEA, the which city/ airport? CCY Calgary? ... or another? May we know? Thank you

C’mon Trof, there’s only one city/airport in thenoflyzone’s world view.. The airport code starts with “Y” and ends with “L”.

Better airport than Changi and way ahead of YVR, lol.

In all seriousness though, from a competitive perspective I disagree. Montreal serves a different function for AC as with a different geographic focus. SEA has far more of an overlap simply because of the geography. DL isn’t trying to make SEA a hub for Europe

I’d also expect to see more traffic at YUL simply given the relative size of the population compared to Vancouver.

Either way, I believe Asia growth will rebound after the coronavirus fears have passed. Just like after SARS.

nname · #**14951** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 6:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

In another article I read it says 3000 flights a day have been cancelled.

Coronavirus tips jet fuel margins into biggest monthly fall in over a decade
Koustav Samanta

https://www.journalpioneer.com/business/...st-monthly-fall-in-over-a-decade-406037/

The amount of cuts... just look at Air China's emergency application to US DoT for service reduction for at least 180 days:

Before:
21x weekly PEK-LAX
10x weekly PEK-SFO
14x weekly PEK-JFK
7x weekly PEK-EWR
7x weekly PEK-IAD
5x weekly PEK-IAH
4x weekly SZX-LAX
3x weekly PEK-HNL

After:
4x weekly PEK-LAX-SFO-PEK
3x weekly PEK-JFK-IAD-PEK

See how much that cut is...

And this is only from the Chinese side. Pretty much all foreign carriers had stopped service into China...

Johnny Aussie · #**14952** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 7:21 AM**

It’s global mate. MEL had 66 flights per week to mainland China last week. Effective immediately it’s cut to a handful and most likely just another handful next week.

Who gives a flying shite about YUL in this thread other than one loser (maybe two) poster. A city of over 4 million plus (is it even that high?) it’s too bad that even people you block you have to read the shite they write when people quote them.

YVR’s international passenger count is not comparable.

LeftCoaster · #**14953** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 12:34 AM**

What really interests me about the Wuhan Coronavirus breakout is what happens to other routes.

It's pretty well known that a lot of PAX through China are connecting elsewhere, they're prettymuch the ME3 for the west coast (especially cities like YVR who don't have ME3 service). Will AC and others put more frequencies onto non-china routes, since those passengers will still likely need to travel?

I'm thinking passengers to India, SE Asia, Australia etc... who previously would have connected through China now have limited options.

thenoflyzone · #**14954** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 1:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Will AC and others put more frequencies onto non-china routes, since those passengers will still likely need to travel?

For the remainder of the winter schedule (til March 31), probably not. Too short notice. If this thing extends beyond then, maybe they might redeploy those frames elsewhere.

Right now, they will most likely use the downtime of those frames to backfill/upgauge other routes, thus freeing up narrowbodies for some much needed maintenance, which kinda took a backseat since the Max was grounded.

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I'm thinking passengers to India, SE Asia, Australia etc... who previously would have connected through China now have limited options.

I wouldn’t call YVR-India/SE Asia/Australia service limited. Plenty of non stop or one stop options that don’t involve China. Besides, are you really worried about a guy who probably payed sub-1000$ to fly YVR-China-Australia? Not me. And certainly not the airlines. He’s not the one helping the airlines make money.

Johnny Aussie · #**14955** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 10:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

What really interests me about the Wuhan Coronavirus breakout is what happens to other routes.

It's pretty well known that a lot of PAX through China are connecting elsewhere, they're prettymuch the ME3 for the west coast (especially cities like YVR who don't have ME3 service). Will AC and others put more frequencies onto non-china routes, since those passengers will still likely need to travel?

I'm thinking passengers to India, SE Asia, Australia etc... who previously would have connected through China now have limited options.

Depending on what happens next there could be an overall downturn in international travel as people decide to stay home. So many uncertainties must be driving the accountants and route planners crazy trying to figure out what to do in the short/medium/longer terms. Conditions are changing daily.

nname · #**14956** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 10:33 AM**

Chinese carrier service into YVR as of... tonight

CA PEK-YVR Reduce to 7x weekly (from 11x) Apr to Jun 20

MU PVG-YVR Reduce to 9x weekly (from 11x) until Mar 7

CZ CAN-YVR Reduce to 4x weekly (from daily) Apr and May

CZ CAN-YVR-MEX Service terminated immediately, instead of late Mar

MF XMN-YVR Service suspension until Feb 22

JD HGH-TAO-YVR Reduce to 2x weekly (from 3x) Feb 16 to Mar 7

MU NKG-YVR Service suspension until Jun 20

3U CTU-YVR Service suspension Feb 12 to Mar 4

3U CTU-SHE-YVR No change, 1x weekly

HU SZX-YVR No change, 2x weekly (full fare only on Feb and Mar)

CX HKG-YVR-JFK No change, daily service until late March

CX HKG-YVR Reduce to 6x weekly (from 7x) on selected weeks Feb and Mar

HX HKG-YVR 4x weekly until last service Feb 10