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Old Posted Jan 22, 2020, 7:13 PM
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Starting to wonder if the wheel-wear issue might not be related to the track geometry because holy schmoley the trains are suddenly taking the curves at Hurdman even slower than they already were.
I'm no engineer but I wonder why the outer rail in that curved stretch wasn't elevated somewhat above the inner rail to reduce the grinding sensation and wear on the wheels.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2020, 8:16 PM
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I'm never riding the TTC again until they fix these problems:

https://www.cp24.com/news/four-hour-long-shutdown-on-ttc-line-2-finally-ends-1.4778139

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Old Posted Jan 22, 2020, 8:49 PM
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Especially when your employer doesn't accept this as a valid reason for being late.
     
     
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Especially when your employer doesn't accept this as a valid reason for being late.
There's actually laws on this topic - your employer can't hold you responsible for commute delays that are outside your control in Ontario.
     
     
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Switch problems this morning. I believe we have 11 trains in service today.
I believe that's the first switch problem since opening. We've had good luck with switches - which is odd because in other cities they're consistently one of the main sources of problems.
     
     
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I believe that's the first switch problem since opening. We've had good luck with switches - which is odd because in other cities they're consistently one of the main sources of problems.
Uhhh... is this sarcasm? I'm a big Confederation Line proponent, but we've had a number of switch issues. Including at least 2 over the weekend.
     
     
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There's actually laws on this topic - your employer can't hold you responsible for commute delays that are outside your control in Ontario.
You sure about this? What law deals with commute delays?
     
     
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Uhhh... is this sarcasm? I'm a big Confederation Line proponent, but we've had a number of switch issues. Including at least 2 over the weekend.
I thought the problems to date were on board computers, overhead wires, etc... I honestly have never heard of switch issues yet. Maybe I'm just not paying attention.
     
     
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You sure about this? What law deals with commute delays?
Provincial labour laws. You could appeal to the MoL if your employer punished you for a late arrival caused by a commute delay beyond your reasonable control. Federal doesn't follow provincial labour laws but job security there is padlocked so it's not like you have to even care about annoying your employer (a root cause of bureaucratic incompetence, but I digress).
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2020, 4:25 PM
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Good illustration of how the LRT and bus changes have shifted tipping points: there might be those who have given up their cars because of the changes, but there are definitely those who have given up on transit as well. (Though in this case, they switched from transit to carpooling which is still "TravelWise".) Obviously no mode of transportation will be the best choice for everyone at all times, but hopefully we'll end up with a system where the gains will outweigh the losses.

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KELLY EGAN Updated: January 23, 2020

With all the sound and fury about OC Transpo and LRT this week, a profoundly important issue has escaped attention, one critical to transit’s longterm future: rider abandonment.

Thousands of commuters, doubtless, must be wondering about an alternative to a bus-rail system that is so unpredictable, often slower than the bus-only version we replaced, and showing no signs of settling into a reliable pattern.

Like Jamie and Melanie Chapman. Both federal public servants, they live near Holland Avenue and Wellington Street in a building that provides underground parking for their vehicle.

What happened last October should keep OC up at night. They looked at the $240 they were spending monthly on Presto passes, compared the sum to the $195 parking spot that became available in Jamie’s office building, considered the now-longer, more stressful commute to work, and did the easy thing —they ditched OC.

“I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with it,” said Jamie on Wednesday. “I can see the train drive by my office every once in a while and I’m so glad I’m not part of it.”

We have cabs and Uber and Lyft in Ottawa. We have close to 600,000 registered personal vehicles. We have, maybe, 900 buses and, maybe, 15 trains. If things become desperate, which side do you think wins in the battle between private vehicles and public transit? (Parking, you say? Watch the market get creative.)

For years, the Chapmans took OC to work. The number 86, which stopped outside their door, took Melanie straight to work downtown, near Metcalfe and Slater streets. Jamie, 43, needed a quick transfer near what is today Pimisi Station, connecting with the 105 to Place du Portage in downtown Gatineau.

He estimates his travel at about 25 minutes, even with the inter-provincial bus transfer.

When LRT was launched, the old links were gone. He tried taking the bus to Tunney’s, then the train to Pimisi, then a second bus to Gatineau. Or he just walked to Tunney’s and took up the last two legs of the trip.

The commute was now about 40 minutes and not barrels of fun. The sidewalks and platforms at Tunney’s were crowded and chaotic. “There’s just too many people,” said Jamie, a project officer.

The buses were on new schedules and, initially, not reliable. The trains were sometimes late. It only took a couple of weeks, he says, for them to “hate” the new commute.

Then came an offer for the underground parking spot at the giant Hull complex. He grabbed it, meaning he can — literally — drive to work wearing shorts in January because he never has to step outside, underground to underground.

With a 7:30 a.m. work start, he can now drop Melanie off downtown and be stepping out of his car a few minutes later — all in, about a 30-minute trip.

“It’s become kind of a joke, unfortunately,” he said of the early days of LRT. “You read about the flat wheels. I mean, what’s going to happen next in terms of maintenance issues?”

Their routine is now altered. Already in the car, they can stop for groceries or supplies or run errands on the way home. It just seems to work better. They may be lost to OC for good.

And this, for the city, is the dangerous, unintended consequence — a laudable effort to reduce car traffic, unclog our streets, improve our environment could actually be putting more people behind the wheel.

In the 2016 census, Ottawa-Gatineau had the highest share of commuters using “sustainable transportation” (40 per cent) among similar-sized cities across Canada. Public transit made up 18.3 per cent in metro Ottawa, with carpooling at 13 per cent. Interestingly, in the Quebec part of the capital, carpooling (15.1 per cent) was higher than public transit use (14.5 per cent).

The City of Ottawa launched a “TravelWise program” in 2016 to encourage employers to get their staffs to use transit, carpooling, walk or cycle. The city reports that 11 workplaces have used the full program and 16 have used the carpooling function, which employs an online tool. (CHEO, IKEA, and National Defence HQ have taken part.)

The numbers seem rather low, but perhaps it’s a start. We know ridership on OC has been flat for a few years but seemed to take a jump when LRT was launched in September. So there was momentum and excitement to build on. Then came the troubles.

And transit fares? They’re scheduled to go up this year, 2.5 per cent, putting a typical monthly Presto pass at $122.50. Know what you get when you multiply $122.50 by two or three in one household, heading in the same direction every day?

A monthly car payment. Add this to woes, OC: not trains, not tracks, but a tipping point.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2020, 4:43 PM
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12 trains running this morning. Closer to normal but still peak period bus service offered.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2020, 4:55 PM
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Good illustration of how the LRT and bus changes have shifted tipping points: there might be those who have given up their cars because of the changes, but there are definitely those who have given up on transit as well. (Though in this case, they switched from transit to carpooling which is still "TravelWise".) Obviously no mode of transportation will be the best choice for everyone at all times, but hopefully we'll end up with a system where the gains will outweigh the losses.
The news story illustrates the primary problem with rail transit. The lack of flexibility, also known as the last mile problem. Has OC Transpo recognized this and addressed it properly? I don't think so.

One person, who traverses downtown to a non-downtown destination, commented on twitter that the supplemental downtown bus service is useless for them. They are totally dependent on the failing trains.

The biggest inconvenience is for those who must use the Confederation Line but whose destination is not on the line. Most of them now face two transfers, which is going to force many to look at other means of transportation.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2020, 7:33 PM
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Provincial labour laws. You could appeal to the MoL if your employer punished you for a late arrival caused by a commute delay beyond your reasonable control. Federal doesn't follow provincial labour laws but job security there is padlocked so it's not like you have to even care about annoying your employer (a root cause of bureaucratic incompetence, but I digress).
I think it's pretty much the same situation as the federal jurisdiction (where you can appeal to Labour Canada), but it would only be if you are dismissed for those reasons. There isn't specific legislation preventing employers from doing that.

Also, the federal sector isn't all unionized, so not everyone has iron clad job security.
     
     
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We have confirmation that 17 trains were provided and certified (34 rail cars)


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I really hope someone asks about the number of available trains. The city has confirmed that RTG delivered 34 fully tested and commissioned light-rail vehicles - enough for 17 double trains. And yet, at one point this week only 8 trains were available. LESS THAN HALF. #ottnews
     
     
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Now, we move onto "arcing flashes", a spark that occurs at the top of the pantograph. Usually these are fine, but on three occasions there were more serious, and caused delays: Dec. 27, NYE, and Jan. 11. #ottnews
     
     
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A 14th train may be available starting this Saturday, not that they will use it on that day.

Regarding the original plan for 15 trains.


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In fact, during the 12 non-consecutive day trial run, 15 trains were only run for 2.5-hours on THREE days only. #ottnews
     
     
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Supplementary bus service to continue through next week


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will use supplementary bus service until the end of next week, from Hurdman to downtown and Tunney's to downtown. #ottnews
     
     
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Outside experts an 'important step' toward LRT fix, transit GM promises
City manager leaps to defence of embattled OC Transpo boss

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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 3:08 PM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago


Members of Ottawa's transit commission spent hours Thursday hammering the builders of the $2.1-billion Confederation Line with questions about the long list of problems plaguing the four-month-old LRT system, but in the end got no clear answer about when it will finally become more reliable.

Rideau Transit Maintenance (RTM), an arm of the consortium that constructed the 12.5-kilometre light rail system, has promised to hire outside experts to identify improvements, commissioners heard at a hastily-called meeting.

According to the city's transportation GM, John Manconi, RTM has agreed to hire British firm JBA Corp., experts in rail operations. Manconi said RTM has agreed to implement any recommendations that JBA puts forward.

"This is a major important step forward," Manconi said. "We will see significant service improvements over time. Do we have that timeline? No. I know you're going to ask us that. We do not."

OC Transpo said it will run supplementary buses to offset a shortage of trains on the Confederation Line until the end of next week. The special buses travel between Hurdman or Tunney's Pasture stations and downtown.

Thursday's meeting was kicked off by city manager Steve Kanellakos defending embattled OC Transpo boss Manconi.

"Mr. Manconi and his team aren't going anywhere," Kanellakos told the commission. "I dread where we'd be if we didn't have John and his team."

Kanellakos was addressing comments by citizen transit commissioner Leah Williams, who called for Manconi's resignation amid mounting problems that have led to train shortages and system-wide shutdowns.

"I can't say that I feel that strongly that Mr. Manconi is the right person to be leading OC Transpo at this time," Williams told CBC on Wednesday.

The following day, Kanellakos leapt to Manconi's defence.

"Mr. Manconi could not have done anything more or done anything less than what I've required him to do," Kanellakos said. "I don't blame the house owner when the kitchen is late during the renovation."

At the start of Thursday's meeting, called earlier this week, Coun. Allan Hubley, who chairs the commission, warned members to stick to questions arising directly from the LRT update, and to refrain from raising other subject such as Manconi's resignation or the city's contract with Rideau Transit Maintenance (RTM).

Kanellakos proved to be an exception from that rule, however. He called Manconi and his team "remarkable individuals" who are working hard to provide the most reliable service possible under stressful circumstances.

"No one could anticipate that we would have so many issues so soon, that we would throw our plan into the wastebasket," said Kanell​​​​akos. "They are pulling out miracles out there."

The city manager said if council wants to hold any senior manager accountable, it should be him.

"If you take out the leadership, you take out me," Kanellakos said.

The meeting continues Thursday afternoon.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/kanellakos-defends-manconi-lrt-1.5437967
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2020, 1:21 AM
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Five months in, wobbly LRT looks to outside rescue

Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: January 23, 2020


It was a five-hour meeting, but the most important news came in the first 10 minutes.

No, OC Transpo general manager John Manconi is not being fired and the City of Ottawa is not tearing up the 30-year contract to run its new LRT system. For now, people, we’ll just keep bailing this leaky ship.

City manager Steve Kanellakos offered Ottawa’s transit commission a passionate defence of Manconi’s leadership in bringing about the capital’s $2.1-billion rail system and credited the OC team for rebounding after its detailed launch plan was basically thrown in the trash.

“I can tell you one thing from my perspective: this management team and Mr. Manconi, in particular, aren’t going anywhere. I have 100 per cent confidence in them.”

The city’s top public servant said he felt compelled to address “the elephant in the room” after media reports that Manconi should be ousted for the numerous troubles that have plagued LRT since its launch in September.

He also argued that ending the relationship with Rideau Transit Maintenance would be the wrong move.

“Blowing it up is not going to fix it. Taking out leadership is not going to fix it. If you’re taking out leadership, you take out me. I am ultimately accountable,” Kanellakos said, sitting in council chambers with every key LRT executive.

At this juncture, he’s probably right. Changing skippers at OC and dumping the maintenance contract now would be disastrous. The last thing we need, five months into a launching complex system that is wobbling along like a baby giraffe, is more chaos.

One of the themes, however, that emerged from Thursday’s meeting was that RTM and its predecessor, RTG, were unprepared for fairly obvious eventualities. And it still needs outside help to get its act together.

During winter testing in 2018/19, for instance, there were problems with the switches, a vital piece of equipment that directs trains to the right track. There are about 30 of them on the 12.5-kilometre system and, in December and January, there were six failures, some weather-related.

Yes, RTG knew ice and snowpack could cause the “tongue” of the switch to fail to slide into its “home” position against the rigid rail. So what did it do during testing? Called the equipment installer to check the operation of the heaters.

Did that work? Not so much. It happened again this year and RTM has taken to sending personnel in with blow torches to melt the frozen mess. Some councillors were dumbfounded.

“I’m struggling to understand how you can tell us that with a straight face,” Cumberland Coun. Stephen Blais said to RTM chief executive Peter Lauch, who found himself on the hot-seat for much of the afternoon, frequently at a loss for details.

The Trillium line, it was pointed out, uses natural gas heaters and has had virtually no frozen switch problems for years.

Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney was not impressed with RTM’s explanation, while Manconi snapped that it was obvious what RTM needs to do to solve the problem.

“Quite frankly, I’m shocked that we are where we are today,” McKenney said, given that RTG knew it was an issue a year ago. The city would be “paralyzed” if this winter’s weather was like last year’s, the councillor added.

There was, too, a confusing but alarming explanation as to why LRT had so many trains pulled out of service for wheel flats this week. (We bought 17 double-trains but we’re running with only eight at one point.)

“Is this really normal?” asked commissioner Sarah Wright-Gilbert. “This is a pretty new system.”

Wheel flats are a regular occurrence with any rail system. RTM has a two-wheel lathe that removes the flat spots on a pair of wheels, a process that takes about an hour. The problem? The machine wasn’t working and the maker had to send a technician, causing a lengthy delay.

“We got left by the side of the highway with a flat tire,” said McKenney.

Several councillors said they weren’t feeling confident about RTG’s ability to straighten out the early problems.

The consortium, for instance, isn’t sure what is causing this rash of flat wheels, nor is it certain why 80 metres of overhead wire that feeds electricity to the trains were yanked down near St. Laurent station, causing a massive headache in the east end.

Nor was it reassuring to hear an outside consultant, a British firm, is coming in to help RTM get its operations in order. Or that RTM is assembling a task force to investigate the braking issue.

So no, perhaps it isn’t time for drastic action, like cleaning house. But, at this rate, that day is creeping ever closer.

To contact Kelly Egan, please call 613-726-5896 or email [email protected].
Twitter.com/kellyegancolumn

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