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Old Posted Dec 11, 2019, 7:26 AM
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I don't think they've ever promised the systems as being cheaper. I guess it's just a question what happens to natural gas prices long term.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2019, 9:16 PM
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Yeah, it's not touted as cheaper.
It's supposed to be more environmentally friendly - people should just be aware that there's a premium for that.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2019, 10:28 PM
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it's supposedly more sustainable, but maybe just a buzz marketing term and merely a way for the developer to earn a steady stream of income from residents.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2019, 10:38 PM
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Usually the develop does own the system (though Westbank now owns the former Central Steam Heat)
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2019, 3:55 PM
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Usually the develop does own the system (though Westbank now owns the former Central Steam Heat)
Its more gray than that. There are 2 different people involved. You have the billing company that supplies and manages the unit meters. Then you have the DES which has been a separate company owned by the Municipality not the Developer. Example in Richmond you are at developer cost installing the equipment as part of the building. Lulu island Energy is not the developer but a separate company that ties into it and will connect all the nodes. They will then charge the strata for the heating and cooling. The strata then turns around and ether includes in fees or hires a 3rd party to do individual billing

Same thing in North Van. Developer installs exchangers in the building. This project was a purpose built rental so property owner supplied heating only to the units.

https://fenixenergy.com/projects/gilmore-place-burnaby-canada/

So Fenix is a Onni Company if you look at there projects they are mainly Onni

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Old Posted Dec 12, 2019, 10:41 PM
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EDIT - I need to read after I post to correct for typos and autocorrect(?)
"Usually the developer does not own..."

So looks like developers are getting in on it though indirectly (I guess that would help recoup capital costs).
ONNI -> Fenix
Westbank -> Creative (former Central Steam Heat)

I think the complaints at OV were about the billing company's "basic charges" (minimum fee?).

I assume that with each layer of administration there are added fees.
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2019, 10:59 PM
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EDIT - I need to read after I post to correct for typos and autocorrect(?)
"Usually the developer does not own..."

So looks like developers are getting in on it though indirectly (I guess that would help recoup capital costs).
ONNI -> Fenix
Westbank -> Creative (former Central Steam Heat)

I think the complaints at OV were about the billing company's "basic charges" (minimum fee?).

I assume that with each layer of administration there are added fees.

Oh I also am plagues with typos.

OV and also the Surrey civil DE has had sticker shock by owners. Everytime some one touches a product they add there fees.

Creative I think was a great land deal. Apparently there is a tower coming.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/creative-energy-redevelopment-westbank-vancouver
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2019, 1:52 AM
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Actually my understanding is that the secant piles are being used as a cut off wall to prevent water migration into the site. The site is supposed to have a multi level underground parkade. Prior to that last few years the cost to develop underground parkades in high groundwater areas was to costly. So that is why you see buildings in Richmond, New west River District, and parts of Burnaby having above ground structures.
I think you are probably correct. I have not taken note of a tight dam placement, but I think that, at least so far, they have been driving only along the perimeter. (Yes?) Anyway, they would need one to build below grade.

It could also be both: a dam for preventing water migration + piles for load support. (They would be different kinds of piles of course.)
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2019, 1:55 AM
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Sorry, but I just looked back at the photos posted by City of Rain. You are definitely correct.
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2019, 2:11 AM
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Hi, I just wonder which way is more earthquake proof ? With caissons into the solid rock foundation, or without it (like Surrey) ? I wonder if BC has high standard on earthquake building code. Thanks.
Building on bedrock is the most solid basis. In an earthquake, bedrock typically moves less and so transfers less lateral load to a structure. It is also less likely to shift at a larger scale.

Structural Piles that go through the sedimentary layers to solid bedrock achieve the first of those two situations. But, if the layers above the bedrock shift, they can move the piles off plumb or off the bedrock.

Structural piles that work by way of friction in sedimentary layers could, depending upon their design and depth, lose their bearing capacity as the soil liquifies or vibrates, both of which would reduce the required friction.

All of these issues can be designed around, using everything from complex pile arrangements to the construction of void elements alongside or around piling which allow water to exit the soil and so reduce liquifaction. As to your question specifically, an engineer will be most happy with the situation in Surrey, ultimately you can say it is the safest . . . but technologically, it is just the easiest/cheapest.

Remember, for earthquake design, it is not always the goal to keep a structure perfectly protected. The priority is to have structures that do not fail catastrophically, killing occupants. Partial failures that allow the time needed for safe egress and the prevention of the spread of fire - for big earthquakes, these are the bottom line goals.
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2019, 2:27 AM
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1. You could build a 50 story building in Richmond. But, it would be a) incredibly expensive, and b) would require a large site because the load pyramid would take the structural capacity of the land surrounding it.

And, 'b' could be solved by moving all the complex of piling/coffer damming deep below grade, costing even more money. BUT, it is technically possible. If the Massy bridge were being built, they would be doing a version of this right now for the towers.

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You also find above ground parkades for buildings in Downtown New West and Coquitlam Centre
2. The above ground parkades in New West/Coquitlam are not there by necessity, but rather because of cost. They have been piling for months right along the river's edge in New West for the Pier West towers - creating a coffer dam to exclude the river and build underground parking. (They might also be putting some parking above ground, but a lot of their site is destined to be part of the riverside park.)

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Old Posted Jan 9, 2020, 9:07 PM
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they were demolishing the building on the site yesterday, I think it used to be where Gold's Gym was. Either way its gone now.
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While we generally focus on Vancouver, it's hard to ignore the construction when we take SkyTrain. Naturally, we had to stop & capture some shots of the demolition of this old Gold's Gym that is making way for what will become one of Metro Van's tallest buildings, Gilmore Place
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7PW-x6gpEo/...4Ode8rpBp-NkekRXO4DkpI7CaL9xNowZVjNZ-dqE
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2020, 4:21 AM
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2. The above ground parkades in New West/Coquitlam are not there by necessity, but rather because of cost. They have been piling for months right along the river's edge in New West for the Pier West towers - creating a coffer dam to exclude the river and build underground parking. (They might also be putting some parking above ground, but a lot of their site is destined to be part of the riverside park.)
Pier West is three levels of underground parking for 929 spots.

Article on some changes they had to make to their piling method because of soil conditions, I think they were planning on finishing last February.

https://www.newwestrecord.ca/news/bosa-a...lems-will-hold-meeting-feb-13-1.23625021
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2020, 4:41 PM
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Pier West is three levels of underground parking for 929 spots.

Article on some changes they had to make to their piling method because of soil conditions, I think they were planning on finishing last February.

https://www.newwestrecord.ca/news/bosa-a...lems-will-hold-meeting-feb-13-1.23625021
Bosa also had issues with right away agreements. The railroad used its powers to delay the project also. They sited concerns that the railroad could become unstable. So the land portion was also shut down for a period of time this summer. Marine and Ground improvements can turn into the sinking money pit in a minute. Just another example how a great builder can get overwelmed by the most simple thing, water and stones.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2020, 1:56 AM
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Onni Set to Rezone Second Phase of Gilmore Place
http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2020/01/24/onni-set-to-rezone-second-phase-of-gilmore-place/

BUT has the office tower been replaced by a residential tower?
I couldn't find anything that says it's changed. The latest Burnaby Major Developments page (from Dec) still shows it as office (and that it's gone through second reading).
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2020, 3:55 AM
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Thanks.
Could be an old plan they posted?
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2020, 6:31 AM
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Do you mean the replacement of the label? office to the rezoning reference number

Noticed in the original master plan they had 14 levels of office in that building and residential above it. Page 78

https://www.burnaby.ca/Assets/city+servi...nt/Draft+Gilmore+Station+Master+Plan.pdf

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Old Posted Jan 25, 2020, 6:51 AM
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Yeah, I was just looking at the label that says "REZ #18-24" that, in the other plan, said "Office".
Vancouvermarket.ca does still reference the office tower though.
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