Cambie Corridor Updates

[officedweller]

To me, transit and car shares are only useful for specific types of trips.
i.e. commuting and direct there and back type of trips.
i.e. not hauling groceries or sports equipment, not for linking trips/ running errands with many different stops in disparate locations, or trip across town or out of town.

Regarding parking vacancies, the uptake of parking stalls may relate to the types of units in the building.
Occupants of studios and one bedroom suites may be less likely to own cars.

[Migrant_Coconut]

It can be done, it's just more complicated. I've done the multiple errands thing several times, and there's often students riding the downtown-UBC routes with ski gear. Now out of town, yeah, that's a challenge.

[Feathered Friend]

What's the bigger waste of Vancouver's resources? Only permitting a 4 floor building across from Langara College, the YMCA, and a block from the Canada Line, or requiring an open house for 203-363 W 49th Ave that only 16 people attended?

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/203-263w49thave/index.htm

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1208534036689195009?s=20

[BodomReaper]

Originally Posted by cyclinginvancouver

512 W King Edward Avenue

Disappointing that the developer dumped the architect Arno Matis. The new design appears to keep the same massing, but with significantly messier cladding.

Also, a 3.0 FSR all-residential building at a transit station is a crime against urbanism. The Cambie Corridor plan is an unmitigated catastrophe.

Earlier design:

Source

[Feathered Friend]

One of the more unique proposals we've seen along Vancouver's Cambie Corridor is 4338-4362 Cambie St. Yet, even with a creative look, large rooftop amenity, & layout that retains several large trees, only a few people attended its open house.

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/4338-4362cambiest/index.htm

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1212873253577875457?s=20

[Changing City]

That's an interesting design, which kind of reminds me of a project by EEMAR in Arbutus that has never been developed. The track record for Arno Matis projects is unfortunately spotty. Some don't get built at all, a couple have been reworked by other architects to simplify them (like the one above, which makes them poorer designs) and a couple have been built as designed. Lets hope this doesn't get messed with too much.&

[whatnext]

So it looks like the Pearson lands were yet another bad land deal by the BC Liberals:

...The government sold the Dogwood Lodge Complex Care Home in 2015 and the long-term residential care George Pearson Centre and the surrounding land in 2016. However, Postmedia has learned that Onni has paid just over half the money it agreed to pay: It still owes $137 million because the provincial Liberals gave the developer a low-cost loan and until 2023 to pay off the remainder of the sale price.

In the last four years, as Onni subdivided and rezoned the properties, their assessed value jumped to $842 million, nearly three times what it agreed to pay the province for the land...

https://vancouversun.com/business/real-e...rplus-land-did-taxpayers-get-a-good-deal

Why did the BC Liberals think they needed to offer low-cost loans in what was one of the planet's hottest real estate markets?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

So it looks like the Pearson lands were yet another bad land deal by the BC Liberals:

...The government sold the Dogwood Lodge Complex Care Home in 2015 and the long-term residential care George Pearson Centre and the surrounding land in 2016. However, Postmedia has learned that Onni has paid just over half the money it agreed to pay: It still owes $137 million because the provincial Liberals gave the developer a low-cost loan and until 2023 to pay off the remainder of the sale price.

In the last four years, as Onni subdivided and rezoned the properties, their assessed value jumped to $842 million, nearly three times what it agreed to pay the province for the land...

https://vancouversun.com/business/real-e...rplus-land-did-taxpayers-get-a-good-deal

Why did the BC Liberals think they needed to offer low-cost loans in what was one of the planet's hottest real estate markets?

It was hot because of what they did. On the other hand, it isn't hot anymore after NDP took over. At least the Pearson-Dogwood area is being developed now. With more phases completed and sold, the City may even be able to afford its own Canada Line skytrain station.

[GenWhy?]

So Onnie bought 1,106,424 sf. and now they have 2,697,732 sf. which happens all the time with expensive and lengthy rezonings.

Also, "The applicant has offered a total CAC package valued at $141,902,501 including in-kind and cash contributions..."

That in addition to a 8,000 sf for a station and $20 million in cash for that station.

[GenWhy?]

Not to mention the thousands / millions they'll spend out-of-pocket for new site infrastructure and utility upgrades for the general public.

[misher]

Originally Posted by whatnext

So it looks like the Pearson lands were yet another bad land deal by the BC Liberals:

...The government sold the Dogwood Lodge Complex Care Home in 2015 and the long-term residential care George Pearson Centre and the surrounding land in 2016. However, Postmedia has learned that Onni has paid just over half the money it agreed to pay: It still owes $137 million because the provincial Liberals gave the developer a low-cost loan and until 2023 to pay off the remainder of the sale price.

In the last four years, as Onni subdivided and rezoned the properties, their assessed value jumped to $842 million, nearly three times what it agreed to pay the province for the land...

https://vancouversun.com/business/real-e...rplus-land-did-taxpayers-get-a-good-deal

Why did the BC Liberals think they needed to offer low-cost loans in what was one of the planet's hottest real estate markets?

Aren’t interest rates lower now than 2015? I suspect the low-cost loan is now a big money maker.

[vanman]

Originally Posted by Feathered Friend

https://twitter.com/City_Duo/status/1212873253577875457?s=20

Higher res images from Arno Matis Architecture

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Vin

It was hot because of what they did. On the other hand, it isn't hot anymore after NDP took over. At least the Pearson-Dogwood area is being developed now. With more phases completed and sold, the City may even be able to afford its own Canada Line skytrain station.

Hardly.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Not to mention the thousands / millions they'll spend out-of-pocket for new site infrastructure and utility upgrades for the general public.

The infrastructure and utility upgrades wouldn't be needed if the buildings weren't going in, so that's a bit misleading. At the end of the day, it is another bad land deal courtesy of the BC Liberals, just like Little Mountain.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

So Onnie bought 1,106,424 sf. and now they have 2,697,732 sf. which happens all the time with expensive and lengthy rezonings.

Also, "The applicant has offered a total CAC package valued at $141,902,501 including in-kind and cash contributions..."

That in addition to a 8,000 sf for a station and $20 million in cash for that station.

Remind me, where's the other $142 million going?

[idunno]

Much of it to social housing and subsidized rental housing. Probably daycare, public space, etc. as well.

[Klazu]

CACs along Cambie Street should be used to lengthen SkyTrain stations as otherwise it is never going to happen.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Not to mention the thousands / millions they'll spend out-of-pocket for new site infrastructure and utility upgrades for the general public.

What are you talking about. All developers have to do this when they develop. Its not for the general public. Its to allow greater density that they bring to the area. The offsite civil works on developments are paid usually by the developer. Typically the first one in. Future developments would pay a fee to connect. I have been involved in projects where the Developer had to install civil 3 or 4 blocks away from the site as that was the last upgraded location.

This is another shady Onni deal. No different than them getting caught Airbnb a rental building that received low income unit credits. Or operating one as a hotel

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by vanman

Higher res images from Arno Matis Architecture

Outstanding in every respect, pays homage to Vancouver's brutalist period and has many Erickson cues. We need more of this, Arno Matis does great work, their completed Aperture project on W 41st looks outstanding, we need to set the bar far higher and this kind of work contributes to that.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

What are you talking about. All developers have to do this when they develop. Its not for the general public. Its to allow greater density that they bring to the area. The offsite civil works on developments are paid usually by the developer. Typically the first one in. Future developments would pay a fee to connect. I have been involved in projects where the Developer had to install civil 3 or 4 blocks away from the site as that was the last upgraded location.

This is another shady Onni deal. No different than them getting caught Airbnb a rental building that received low income unit credits. Or operating one as a hotel

Agreed. And as a piece of formerly public land (which would be redeveloped eventually) I am glad to see that private money is being utilized to rebuild it rather than public money for new streetscapes and utilities.