Phoenix Development News (3) - Page 807

CrestedSaguaro · #**16121** Posted **Jan 3, 2020, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHX31

Nice! thank you.

What is the tower to the far west?

Isn't there also the Berger (name?) project on Adams next to Hanny's? I don't think I see that in there.

The tower to the West is the possible Rastegar new tallest at 550' on 4th Ave just North of Van Buren. It was news back in June. No news about it since.

That lot should be allowed to go well over 550'. Darn FAA.

PyroD · #**16122** Posted **Jan 3, 2020, 11:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHX31

Isn't there also the Berger (name?) project on Adams next to Hanny's? I don't think I see that in there.

If you look closely he has it tucked away behind the Phelps Dodge building. Same with Kenect being tucked behind Freeport tower.

BA744PHX · #**16123** Posted **Jan 4, 2020, 1:57 AM**

Hi Everyone,

Over the last week I have created polygon's on google earth for a visual of all projects underway

Blue - Completed
Green - Under Construction
Yellow - Planned

All heights are accurate, however the width of are not, let me know your thoughts

Also sorry for the large pictures, I am not sure how to reduce their size.

If they are to big you can view via the link below

https://imgur.com/gallery/9IYEDg3

On another note, I haven't posted on this forum in years, how do I change my username?

Spitfiredude · #**16124** Posted **Jan 4, 2020, 4:47 AM**

Appreciate both of you making these. Kinda gives some perspective to how big of an impact these developments can / will have on DTPHX the next 2-5 years. Astra really pops.

combusean · #**16125** Posted **Jan 4, 2020, 5:03 AM**

Agreed. I really enjoy the contributions of the Google Earther Formerly Known As Daltnpapi4u and MAPAZ.

I've long thought about doing something similar but my tendency to overcomplicate things has left me emptyhanded despite some of my best efforts.

somethingfast · #**16126** Posted **Jan 4, 2020, 4:58 PM**

Awesome impact renderings! If half of these come to fruition DT will be radically better!

PHX31 · #**16127** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 2:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHX31

What's the exact elevation of the lot? Subtract that from 1625 and that's the height limit for astra.

The elevation of that lot is right around 1,086'. So, 1,625'-1,086' = height limit of 539 feet.

CrestedSaguaro · #**16128** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 3:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHX31

The elevation of that lot is right around 1,086'. So, 1,625'-1,086' = height limit of 539 feet.

FAA rounds out most of Downtown at 1100' when setting there height limits.

Great renderings BA744PHX. The view from the West really gives an idea of the impact that these developments are going to change the skyline and it's growth northward. Suggestions on making a couple height adjustements though. Central Station is proposed at 300' which would make it short then Freeport and Palmcourt will be 297' which should be markedly taller than AZC2 which is 260'. May want to adjust those a little. Otherwise, great perspectives

PHX31 · #**16129** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 3:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

FAA rounds out most of Downtown at 1100' when setting there height limits.

How so and how do you know? And why would they do this?

I've actually submitted a notice to the FAA for various sites (not buildings) and it's based on the site's lat/long and site elevation (to the nearest foot). If those height maps showing the max allowable height above sea level are accurate, I would believe they make their height limit (or obstruction determination) on a site by site basis to the nearest foot of site elevation.

Chestnut1 · #**16130** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 4:22 PM**

Item #12 of the upcoming Zoning Adjustment hearing makes reference to a hotel at the southwest corner of Camelback and Central. Has anyone heard about this before? There are no development plan submittals - they are probably waiting to see how the City reacts to these adjustment requests.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksite/PublicMeetings/200109006.pdf

CrestedSaguaro · #**16131** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 4:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHX31

How so and how do you know? And why would they do this?

I've actually submitted a notice to the FAA for various sites (not buildings) and it's based on the site's lat/long and site elevation (to the nearest foot). If those height maps showing the max allowable height above sea level are accurate, I would believe they make their height limit (or obstruction determination) on a site by site basis to the nearest foot of site elevation.

Downtown is marked in zones. They only thing they look at is which zone a particular lot falls under. It may be different outside of adjacent flight paths, but for downtown this is what they use. You can see this on the many height limit maps they have published. Height limits for any zones downtown are always *00, *25, ,*50 or *75*. There's 17 zones marked for DT with 1100' set as the base.

PHX31 · #**16132** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Downtown is marked in zones. They only thing they look at is which zone a particular lot falls under. It may be different outside of adjacent flight paths, but for downtown this is what they use. You can see this on the many height limit maps they have published. Height limits for any zones downtown are always *00, *25, ,*50 or *75*. There's 17 zones marked for DT with 1100' set as the base.

How do you know 1100' is the base? And where is it published that they just use that blanket for downtown?

The other times I've submitted for a determination of an Obstruction Evaluation on a Notice for Proposed Construction, It's site specific based on the lat/long and actual site elevation. Why would they typically make determinations site-specifically, but make a blanket 1,100' for downtown only?

The FAA webportal where you submit these notices to the FAA is very detailed and site-specific with the actual (to the nearest foot) elevation as an input. Not just general info and then an FAA evaluator thinking "OK, this is downtown, so I'm going to assume a site elevation of 1,100') It doesn't make sense that this also wouldn't be detailed and site-specific.

Sunsfan87 · #**16133** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chestnut1

Item #12 of the upcoming Zoning Adjustment hearing makes reference to a hotel at the southwest corner of Camelback and Central. Has anyone heard about this before? There are no development plan submittals - they are probably waiting to see how the City reacts to these adjustment requests.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksite/PublicMeetings/200109006.pdf

Looks like they have been planning this for a few years at least. https://northcentralnews.net/2018/community/barren-corner-gets-needed-makeover/

MAPAZ · #**16134** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 10:18 PM**

Thank you all (RonnieFoos, PHX31, combusean and Spitfiredude) for your kind comments on my color coded high rise map. It was just to get the discussion started!

BA744PHX - I'm so pleased that you've created those wonderful polygon 3D maps of downtown. This is a great series that I hope we can all track as progress continues downtown.

I hope 2020 is the year that the Phoenix does indeed Rise!

Thanks,
MAPAZ

muertecaza · #**16135** Posted **Jan 6, 2020, 10:42 PM**

Not big news, but there is a public meeting for a site plan review for the Berger Central/Adams hotel on the Hanny's Lot on January 9. Good to see this one moving forward.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksite/PublicMeetings/200109008.pdf

Classical in Phoenix · #**16136** Posted **Jan 7, 2020, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by muertecaza

Not big news, but there is a public meeting for a site plan review for the Berger Central/Adams hotel on the Hanny's Lot on January 9. Good to see this one moving forward.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksite/PublicMeetings/200109008.pdf

I believe per the agreement with the city, they have until June 3rd to break ground. So should start seeing some movement.

BA744PHX · #**16137** Posted **Jan 7, 2020, 3:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

FAA rounds out most of Downtown at 1100' when setting there height limits.

Great renderings BA744PHX. The view from the West really gives an idea of the impact that these developments are going to change the skyline and it's growth northward. Suggestions on making a couple height adjustements though. Central Station is proposed at 300' which would make it short then Freeport and Palmcourt will be 297' which should be markedly taller than AZC2 which is 260'. May want to adjust those a little. Otherwise, great perspectives

Thanks Ronnie, I have updated the map for Central Station. for Palmcourt i had the height at 292, do you know the height of APS Tower?

Also is there any update on Central Station

Thanks

CrestedSaguaro · #**16138** Posted **Jan 7, 2020, 3:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by BA744PHX

Thanks Ronnie, I have updated the map for Central Station. for Palmcourt i had the height at 292, do you know the height of APS Tower?

Also is there any update on Central Station

Thanks

APS (tower 2) is 260 and tower 1 is 240.

somethingfast · #**16139** Posted **Jan 7, 2020, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

APS (tower 2) is 260 and tower 1 is 240.

APS tower always gives impression of being much taller...was thinking 290' or so. It's a good-looking building even now. Anybody know the sq footage? 450k or so?

CrestedSaguaro · #**16140** Posted **Jan 7, 2020, 4:09 PM**

Derby is a go! Six new permits posted this morning for Derby!

Correction: Posted yesterday. My dates are off a little