Rapid Transit - Page 179

Dr Awesomesauce · #**3561** Posted **Dec 17, 2019, 11:38 PM**

It's as though it never happened...

matt602 · #**3562** Posted **Dec 18, 2019, 5:31 PM**

The Ford government has never been held to task on their 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 and thats why they're so confident with hiding all this. They know that they can and will get away with it.

SantaClo · #**3563** Posted **Dec 18, 2019, 6:03 PM**

https://www.hamilton.ca/sites/default/fi..._open_letter_to_premier_ford_re_lrt_.pdf

Wigs · #**3564** Posted **Dec 18, 2019, 6:45 PM**

I was very excited for the LRT project.

Hamilton really got F@$#ed over by Caroline Mulroney and the Ford administration.

'Tis a damn shame!

"Merry Xmas, Hamilton!
-Doug Ford"

SteelTown · #**3565** Posted **Dec 18, 2019, 7:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by SantaClo

https://www.hamilton.ca/sites/default/fi..._open_letter_to_premier_ford_re_lrt_.pdf

Oh Mayor Fred is pissed! As he ought to be, that's a strongly worded letter.

RaginRonic · #**3566** Posted **Dec 18, 2019, 9:45 PM**

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6586383/PRIVATE-and-CONFIDENTIAL-ATTACHMENT-2.pdf

Here's the document in full.

SteelTown · #**3567** Posted **Dec 18, 2019, 10:42 PM**

Mayor is so pissed he leaked the report haha. Good for him.

Just a brief glance and I see there's a $26 million "McMaster Parking". Plus $17 million for a McMaster bus terminal. I wasn't aware Metrolinx was going to build McMaster a parking garage.

TheRitsman · #**3568** Posted **Dec 19, 2019, 5:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

Mayor is so pissed he leaked the report haha. Good for him.

Just a brief glance and I see there's a $26 million "McMaster Parking". Plus $17 million for a McMaster bus terminal. I wasn't aware Metrolinx was going to build McMaster a parking garage.

At the corner of Cootes and Main there was to be a Go bus terminal which currently exists, but was to be moved and improved. The designs can be found in various old articles and I believe it may even be in the McMaster official plan.

Innsertnamehere · #**3569** Posted **Dec 19, 2019, 12:52 PM**

$17 million for a small bus terminal is a lot of money.. seems inflated.

I imagine a lot of those figures are all for items needed by the design, it’s just that each one is unusually expensive.

You have to break down the costs that will be comparable to other projects and the costs which would be unique to Hamilton and drive up the cost. Look for things like inflated vehicle prices, inflated signalling and systems costs, inflated rail installation costs, etc. Those don’t change from project to project. Things like bridges, utility relocations, exact station designs, etc can be unique to the project and actually drive up costs.

atnor · #**3570** Posted **Dec 20, 2019, 1:52 AM**

I wonder what the cost to do all the underground work actually is. Especially in the downtown core, I doubt everything is mapped out and accounted for.

ChildishGavino · #**3571** Posted **Dec 20, 2019, 4:30 AM**

Well as it is right now, the international village is going to be completely ripped up, as for most of it there's 2 lanes with shoulder parking.

Markus83 · #**3572** Posted **Dec 20, 2019, 1:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by ChildishGavino

Well as it is right now, the international village is going to be completely ripped up, as for most of it there's 2 lanes with shoulder parking.

What do you mean?

Innsertnamehere · #**3573** Posted **Dec 20, 2019, 4:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by atnor

I wonder what the cost to do all the underground work actually is. Especially in the downtown core, I doubt everything is mapped out and accounted for.

Given the age of Hamilton's core I imagine that utility costs are quite high.

In general I can see the Hamilton LRT coming more than the Waterloo LRT because there are a lot more "add ons" beyond the strict LRT system. Things like the Longwood bridge replacement, extensive utility replacement and road reconstructions, new bus terminals, the Frid Road extension, etc. are all things that are needed regardless that the LRT was going to pay for.

ChildishGavino · #**3574** Posted **Dec 20, 2019, 5:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Markus83

What do you mean?

Current plans call for the LRT to head through the international village, which is the narrowest King street gets. Because LRT has right of way, the lanes would need to be moved over... where? Probably where the side parking is now I'd assume, but I havent seen any plans.

Dengler Avenue · #**3575** Posted **Dec 20, 2019, 5:04 PM**

What about skytrains? Higher cost and less aesthetics?

bigguy1231 · #**3576** Posted **Dec 20, 2019, 11:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

What about skytrains? Higher cost and less aesthetics?

Hamilton could have had the skytrain even before Vancouver got it. The company that developed that technology was a crown corporation owned by the Ontario government. I think it was the late 70's when the province offered it to the city all expenses paid. The city turned it down.

SteelTown · #**3577** Posted **Dec 21, 2019, 12:54 AM**

The auditor general will look into cost estimates of Hamilton's LRT. Andrea Horwath requested it.

king10 · #**3578** Posted **Dec 21, 2019, 1:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by ChildishGavino

Current plans call for the LRT to head through the international village, which is the narrowest King street gets. Because LRT has right of way, the lanes would need to be moved over... where? Probably where the side parking is now I'd assume, but I havent seen any plans.

King street at intl village was planned to be closer to vehicular traffic completely, save for a local delivery laneway. Not sure where that vehicle traffic would be accommodated.

Jon Dalton · #**3579** Posted **Dec 21, 2019, 8:49 PM**

No one seems to be defending the 3rd party consultant's figures, except for the Ford government itself.

As the Spec reported Joe Mancinelli of LIUNA has heard from those bidding on the project that the figures were 'way off' and they are commissioning their own study. They also report that Ford 'regrets' the decision (or at least how it was handled).

The truth will eventually come out and Ford will have to account for his decision. Trying to justify it by fudging numbers that no believes just adds insult to injury. We should at least know the real reason.

TheRitsman · #**3580** Posted **Dec 21, 2019, 11:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jon Dalton

No one seems to be defending the 3rd party consultant's figures, except for the Ford government itself.

As the Spec reported Joe Mancinelli of LIUNA has heard from those bidding on the project that the figures were 'way off' and they are commissioning their own study. They also report that Ford 'regrets' the decision (or at least how it was handled).

The truth will eventually come out and Ford will have to account for his decision. Trying to justify it by fudging numbers that no believes just adds insult to injury. We should at least know the real reason.

Could I get sources for the regret item and the bidders saying the figures are off?

Someone was asking me for those quotes or proof and I can't find them