DENVER | Main Development Thread #7

[DenvertoLA]

wow what a sad day for Pegasus's. Such a noble creature being hoed out for a filler building.

[CherryCreek]

Originally Posted by TakeFive

Very interesting... U.S. Supreme Court Decision

A Denver judge is currently deliberating in a case that may likely be influenced by this new decision although it merely leaves in place a previous decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

If the courts strike down bans on public camping, I will personally start a "go fund me" page to raise money to buy tents and to bus homeless to the residential streets on which the judges live.

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by CherryCreek

If the courts strike down bans on public camping, I will personally start a "go fund me" page to raise money to buy tents and to bus homeless to the residential streets on which the judges live.

The 9th Circuit's use of the Eighth Amendment is a head scratcher for me.

[The Dirt]

Originally Posted by CherryCreek

If the courts strike down bans on public camping, I will personally start a "go fund me" page to raise money to buy tents and to bus homeless to the residential streets on which the judges live.

So, if the shelters are full, the homeless have no place to go, so staying inside is impossible, and staying outside is illegal. Fining the homeless $75 doesn't help them become any less homeless. Sounds like a catch 22. What is your alternative?

[laniroj]

Originally Posted by The Dirt

So, if the shelters are full, the homeless have no place to go, so staying inside is impossible, and staying outside is illegal. Fining the homeless $75 doesn't help them become any less homeless. Sounds like a catch 22. What is your alternative?

My alternative is to build more houses so that 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 people don't fall into homelessness in the first place! For some, it's a chosen lifestyle. For others, they can't get out. For nearly all, they used to live in a home until SOMETHING happened. The reasons vary widely, but typically involve a monetary event which precipitated homelessness. If there was more housing and there was more affordable housing, we'd have less homeless.

Also, shelters are rarely full for a variety of reasons. Many on the streets think they are unsafe, riddled with bed bugs, can't bring their drugs in, and cant store this shopping carts - soooo they prefer not to use them...

[The Dirt]

100% agree that we need more housing. Until enough is built, what is the alternative to illegally sleeping/camping outside?

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by laniroj

Also, shelters are rarely full for a variety of reasons. Many on the streets think they are unsafe, riddled with bed bugs, can't bring their drugs in, and cant store this shopping carts - soooo they prefer not to use them...

The bigger issue as you suggest is that too many camp out by choice and not for lack of beds.

An economic event or condition should be a temporary problem; it's not like there aren't jobs out there but many have no to desire to work.

[Fritzdude]

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Originally Posted by laniroj

My alternative is to build more houses so that 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 people don't fall into homelessness in the first place! For some, it's a chosen lifestyle. For others, they can't get out. For nearly all, they used to live in a home until SOMETHING happened. The reasons vary widely, but typically involve a monetary event which precipitated homelessness. If there was more housing and there was more affordable housing, we'd have less homeless.

Also, shelters are rarely full for a variety of reasons. Many on the streets think they are unsafe, riddled with bed bugs, can't bring their drugs in, and cant store this shopping carts - soooo they prefer not to use them...

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by Fritzdude

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Rendering courtesy Radian

Denver City Council Approves Two Affordable Housing Projects
December 16, 20190 - Mile High CRE

The Denver City Council recently approved a pair of affordable housing contracts that will help establish 204 income-restricted homes for low and moderate-income households in the Lincoln Park and Capitol Hill neighborhoods. Loans totaling $5,175,000 have been approved for the La Tela and Olin Apartments projects, which will support affordable homeownership opportunities and senior housing respectively.

There was also a recent announcement for 180 new affordable homes at Stapleton which was previously posted. These deals just take time like anything does but it feels like Denver along with other cities have indeed been building affordable units.

[bulldurhamer]

well i'm glad we're so business friendly that we're willing allow our workers to not be paid enough to live in the city which leads us to the cries for more affordable housing to be bought and paid for by the tax payers.

meanwhile most of the top corporations in the county didn't pay federal taxes this year!


this is a losing spiral. we allow corporations to do anything and pay 🞵🞵🞵🞵, but don't worry, the residents will pick up the tab!

just last page it was stated that 40% of the workforce has no benefits to speak of (gig). i mean come the f on. i'm to the point where i won't support public money going to any of these buildings that incentivize the residents to never climb economically until we as a society decide that working a full day should be enough for anybody to live.

denver, make uber and walmart and mcdonalds, and all these 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 weed trimming employers actually pay a living wage. if they can't, make them pay for the housing in some giant fund. this is nuts that we're still asking the people to pay for what we're not making the big money making companies pay.

denver is #5 in business "friendliness"
https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2019/07/31/denver-us-cities-profitable-businesses.html

denver is so friendly that we're happy to drop out pants, bend over, and blame anybody but these guys for our problems. our city council is quick to lament gentrification and yet it's a struggle to convince them that a $5/hour gig job isn't probably bad for our residents.
but yeah, let's all open up our pockets because there isn't enough money.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/16/these-91-fortune-500-companies-didnt-pay-federal-taxes-in-2018.html

[laniroj]

Originally Posted by bulldurhamer

well i'm glad we're so business friendly that we're willing allow our workers to not be paid enough to live in the city which leads us to the cries for more affordable housing to be bought and paid for by the tax payers.

While I disagree strongly with your vilification of business, I strongly agree with what you consider the source of the problem to be...sort of. I'm 100% on the same page with you that employers have precipitated a crisis, but the other 50% of me blames our zoning and our neighbors for not allowing WAY more housing to be built, everywhere. Business has generated tons of jobs - using the widely accepted metric of 1 housing unit for every 2.5 jobs, we're about 10,000 units short in Denver proper based on job growth alone (not population growth) since 2010.

Yes, businesses helped create and continue to exacerbate the housing affordability issue, but I strongly believe the market could meet the demand if the artificial zoning brake were removed. So while businesses share in the culpability (and municipalities generally do not require they contribute to housing issues via fees) the main problem remains restrictive zoning. If you don't think the market can meet the actual demand, you underestimate how much money some people have the ability and desire to make.

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by bulldurhamer

meanwhile most of the top corporations in the county didn't pay federal taxes this year!

91 out of 500 is 18% and would not be considered "most" by most people. Many of the the biggest pay little or no taxes for a couple of reasons. Among the Fortune 500, biggest doesn't mean best. Many larger companies are struggling to remain profitable. Others, due to their success are still investing heavily in growing. General Electric or GE, once a proud icon of success is now struggling to make any money. General Motors and Ford despite recent profits will be fortunate to remain viable through the next decade.

When this country stops innovating and creating is when we will start to rot from within.
The concept of depreciation, which reduces tax liability in the short term, is the most important tax concept in the code.

Corporations or companies are what creates and maintain jobs. The fact that unemployment is at historical lows is a good (not bad) thing. Recessions and depressions are when companies struggle to make money. That's when they let go millions of workers so be careful what you wish for.

[bunt_q]

Originally Posted by laniroj

My alternative is to build more houses so that 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 people don't fall into homelessness in the first place! For some, it's a chosen lifestyle. For others, they can't get out. For nearly all, they used to live in a home until SOMETHING happened. The reasons vary widely, but typically involve a monetary event which precipitated homelessness. If there was more housing and there was more affordable housing, we'd have less homeless.

Also, shelters are rarely full for a variety of reasons. Many on the streets think they are unsafe, riddled with bed bugs, can't bring their drugs in, and cant store this shopping carts - soooo they prefer not to use them...

So get rid of your drugs maybe? And then go drive an RTD bus. And then get an apartment. Seems straightforward to me.

If you can’t do the first, then your problems are not my problems. And I second the notion of setting up tents in front of the 9th Circuit judges’ houses. I’ll contribute to the gofundme.

[Ndj]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

So get rid of your drugs maybe? And then go drive an RTD bus. And then get an apartment. Seems straightforward to me.

If you can’t do the first, then your problems are not my problems. And I second the notion of setting up tents in front of the 9th Circuit judges’ houses. I’ll contribute to the gofundme.

Ok boomer

[BG918]

More density planned near 38th & Blake Station



https://businessden.com/2019/12/18/two-m...m_term=0_e8b1506f0c-2fe2072d78-147982577

[The Dirt]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

So get rid of your drugs maybe? And then go drive an RTD bus. And then get an apartment. Seems straightforward to me.

If you can’t do the first, then your problems are not my problems. And I second the notion of setting up tents in front of the 9th Circuit judges’ houses. I’ll contribute to the gofundme.

I'll go spread the message at the homeless camps!

"Just get rid of the drugs!"

It's so simple!

And if the millennials would just stop sending each other memes all day long they could afford to buy a house.

[CherryCreek]

Originally Posted by The Dirt

And if the millennial would just stop sending each other memes all day long they could afford to buy a house.

Speaking of which, I thought these were good:

[SirLucasTheGreat]

Does anyone know if there has been any activity on the Block 162 Hotel proposal? I liked the renderings given to the LPC but I would've expected a site development plan to have been submitted if they were looking to start construction soon after the Block 162 office tower finishes up.

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

So get rid of your drugs maybe? And then go drive an RTD bus. And then get an apartment. Seems straightforward to me.

If you can’t do the first, then your problems are not my problems. And I second the notion of setting up tents in front of the 9th Circuit judges’ houses. I’ll contribute to the gofundme.

Originally Posted by CherryCreek

Speaking of which, I thought these were good:

Quite hilarious.

That said, unbeknownst to me, it appears there was an 'out-of-court' settlement.

https://denverite.com/2019/12/16/first-i...g-homelessness-focuses-on-communication/

City officials on Monday held the first advisory meeting required under a settlement that ended a class-action lawsuit over the way Denver clears encampments of people experiencing homelessness.

In September, a federal judge signed off on a settlement in the lawsuit filed by people experiencing homelessness and their advocates who accused Denver of violating the constitutional rights of urban campers.

[twister244]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

So get rid of your drugs maybe? And then go drive an RTD bus. And then get an apartment. Seems straightforward to me.

If you can’t do the first, then your problems are not my problems. And I second the notion of setting up tents in front of the 9th Circuit judges’ houses. I’ll contribute to the gofundme.

So, I am a millenial, and I kinda agree with this actually....

The recent supreme court decision touches on a topic many western cities are grappling with, including Denver. West coast cities have decided it's acceptable for homeless to sleep wherever the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 they want. Denver put that up to a vote and said "not thanks." I get that we need resources for homeless, but letting them camp out wherever they in the public ain't a solution, and it hurts the city in the long run.