O-Train Line 1/3 [Stage 2 | West Extension | Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

But what of the 200 year old oaks!?

I said many, not all. I agree that some trees had many more years in them. It is a shame, but there is only so many trees that can be saved. I would rather see them cut down to build a train than to build a parking lot (a likely alternative).

[Southpaw78]

Originally Posted by Southpaw78

Thanks for this! It does show it clearly and makes sense now that I see the alignment come out beside the OC Transpo and Leons. Also appreciate the clarification that Queensway station will be no more and Queensview isn't replacing it.

Can't stop thinking more about this section and it leading to more questions...From Leons to the proposed Pinecrest station, there is not a lot of real estate in that stretch. Will they be expropriating land or is there more city owned land there than what might appear (there's a chainlink fence which may or may not indicate a property line?) Also how will this allow for any future 417 lane expansion to the 416?

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by Southpaw78

Can't stop thinking more about this section and it leading to more questions...From Leons to the proposed Pinecrest station, there is not a lot of real estate in that stretch. Will they be expropriating land or is there more city owned land there than what might appear (there's a chainlink fence which may or may not indicate a property line?) Also how will this allow for any future 417 lane expansion to the 416?

Yes, expropriation. If you go to GeoOttawa (http://maps.ottawa.ca/geoOttawa/) you can see that 2650 and 2680 Queensview Dr. already show the previously severed pieces necessary for the LRT ROW, whereas 2600 and 2670 have yet to have their backends officially severed. 2550, of course, is already City-owned. If you turn on the Rail Implementation Office layer (in the More layers... menu) you can see how the LRT lines up with these parcels.

[le calmar]

Queensview station appears to be on the edge of an industrial area with hardly any access from the Queensway or from the street as it is sandwiched between the highway and private properties. I assume this area will be redeveloped in the future because as I don't see how it can be used at all.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by le calmar

Queensview station appears to be on the edge of an industrial area with hardly any access from the Queensway or from the street as it is sandwiched between the highway and private properties. I assume this area will be redeveloped in the future because as I don't see how it can be used at all.

A pedestrian bridge will be built to the south of the Queensway, serving the Ottawa Citizen building, the Funhaven building, Ikea and other shops and services. It will likely have a higher ridership than Iris Station, but still be one of the lowest volume stations on the system.

[Richard Eade]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Yes, expropriation. If you go to GeoOttawa (http://maps.ottawa.ca/geoOttawa/) you can see that 2650 and 2680 Queensview Dr. already show the previously severed pieces necessary for the LRT ROW, whereas 2600 and 2670 have yet to have their backends officially severed. 2550, of course, is already City-owned. If you turn on the Rail Implementation Office layer (in the More layers... menu) you can see how the LRT lines up with these parcels.

I'm ready to be corrected, but I have a vague memory of hearing that the City currently owns all of the property at 2670. This might be a figment of my imagination, though, so if someone has any concrete evidence, one way or the other, I would like to know for sure.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

A pedestrian bridge will be built to the south of the Queensway, serving the Ottawa Citizen building, the Funhaven building, Ikea and other shops and services. It will likely have a higher ridership than Iris Station, but still be one of the lowest volume stations on the system.

Funny how that station got prioritized while a station serving a modest income neighbourhood at Jasmine Crescent was deemed unimportant.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Funny how that station got prioritized while a station serving a modest income neighbourhood at Jasmine Crescent was deemed unimportant.

Agreed. A station at Jasmine would have had higher ridership than a good half dozen along the post-Stage 2 system.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Funny how that station got prioritized while a station serving a modest income neighbourhood at Jasmine Crescent was deemed unimportant.

Queensview Station will also be useful for OC Transpo drivers to get to/from the Pinecrest Depot. That could be a self serving reason for them giving it priority.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Richard Eade

I'm ready to be corrected, but I have a vague memory of hearing that the City currently owns all of the property at 2670. This might be a figment of my imagination, though, so if someone has any concrete evidence, one way or the other, I would like to know for sure.

I don't know, but it is quite possible as according to Google, it is the Ottawa Police Service Records Management Service Centre.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Agreed. A station at Jasmine would have had higher ridership than a good half dozen along the post-Stage 2 system.

Jasmine cres. residents don't contribute money to Watson's re-election campaigns so I suspect that has something to do with it. They should have thought about not being poor if they wanted an LRT station.

[jchilds72]

There's the flip side - does the Jasmine Crescent area with an LRT station stay as is or does a developer try to pull off a second Herongate style redevelopment?

[Southpaw78]

Originally Posted by le calmar

Queensview station appears to be on the edge of an industrial area with hardly any access from the Queensway or from the street as it is sandwiched between the highway and private properties. I assume this area will be redeveloped in the future because as I don't see how it can be used at all.

I was thinking the same thing!

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by jchilds72

There's the flip side - does the Jasmine Crescent area with an LRT station stay as is or does a developer try to pull off a second Herongate style redevelopment?

Maybe... but I honestly don't care about the redevelopment potential of my neighbourhood right now. For once could we just build an LRT station that serves existing transit users that live nearby?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Capital Shaun

Maybe... but I honestly don't care about the redevelopment potential of my neighbourhood right now. For once could we just build an LRT station that serves existing transit users that live nearby?

Why serve existing transit users when they are already using transit?

Seriously though, the city prefers stations that stimulate TOD, as that results in development fees being paid to the city, which gives them money to spend. Serving an established neighborhood that doesn’t have any TOD potential doesn’t result in any new revenue for the city.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Why serve existing transit users when they are already using transit?

Seriously though, the city prefers stations that stimulate TOD, as that results in development fees being paid to the city, which gives them money to spend. Serving an established neighborhood that doesn’t have any TOD potential doesn’t result in any new revenue for the city.

No wonder here in K-W, some say the ION only stands to benefit developments instead of actually cutting down commute time...

[lrt's friend]

The average taxpayer pays for it while the wealthy developers benefit with windfall property value increases. The end result is that pretty well everybody needs to transfer to get to anywhere of interest and there is little or no time advantage after spending billions.

[OTownandDown]

The Queensview area is full of old warehouse style low-rise offices with medium cost rents.

This is a prime area for redevelopment, and developers will identify, purchase, demolish and rebuild when the market demands.

Looking at those Geo Ottawa maps, it's not so much the housing/buildings that are already in the area, it's the huge amount of 'free space'. Zoom out to a several-interchange level on Geo Ottawa and you can see this is the last area of large parking lot buildings on the entire stretch of the Queensway, thus the last area in this part of town ready for redevelopment.

It's perfect for a mini-Scarboro-on-the-401 mega condo development.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

The Queensview area is full of old warehouse style low-rise offices with medium cost rents.

This is a prime area for redevelopment, and developers will identify, purchase, demolish and rebuild when the market demands.

Looking at those Geo Ottawa maps, it's not so much the housing/buildings that are already in the area, it's the huge amount of 'free space'. Zoom out to a several-interchange level on Geo Ottawa and you can see this is the last area of large parking lot buildings on the entire stretch of the Queensway, thus the last area in this part of town ready for redevelopment.

It's perfect for a mini-Scarboro-on-the-401 mega condo development.

But condo development is going to be more attractive away from the Queensway rather than adjacent to it. The Scarborough buildings that you refer to were built many years ago and are an exception. Who wants to buy where there is 24 hour traffic noise unless there is a substantial discount? Queensview is more suited to commercial redevelopment where traffic noise is not a problem. Is there a market for that in the foreseeable future?

[SidetrackedSue]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

But condo development is going to be more attractive away from the Queensway rather than adjacent to it.

Then rental hi-rise housing, just like the building boom going on at Blair.