Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[RationalPhi]

Dominion Ave is a one block street that doesn't even intersect Richmond and has all of a dozen houses and one condo building in it. It's not a notable street even by locals. On the other hand, LRT plans include adding an additional pedestrian SJAM crossing near the station currently known as Dominion to improve access to the river.

I'll compromise on Dominissippi.

Just don't tell anyone about Westboro Beach; no one goes there any more, it's too crowded.

You joke, but the most recent Westboro Beach party was explicitly not to be advertised on Facebook to avoid a previous beach party where too many people came from as far as Crystal Bay, Kanata and even (gasp) Stittsville.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day. FYI.

The last two C-Line West Extension Information Sessions announced :

Stage 2 LRT Information Sessions - Confederation Line West Extension (Cleary Station to Lincoln Fields Station)
Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 11:49 am
Last updated: Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 11:52 am

Dates & Times
Tuesday, December 3, 2019,
6:30 pm to 8:30 pm

Location
Ukrainian Church
1000 Byron Avenue
Ottawa, ON

and

Stage 2 LRT Information Sessions - Confederation Line West Extension (Iris Station to Baseline Station)
Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 11:30 am
Last updated: Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 4:54 pm

Dates & Times
Wednesday, December 11, 2019,
6:30 pm to 8:30 pm

Location
Ben Franklin Place
101 Centrepointe Drive
Ottawa, ON

https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ation-sessions

EnJoy!

[PHrenetic]

Good Day.

Attention All......

the old Stage 2 website "www.stage2lrt.ca" has disappeared.
it auto-sends you to the new City of Ottawa "www.ottawa.ca" major projects website.

Where the reference materials have gone to is the question.

FYI.

[roger1818]

In reverse order:

Originally Posted by RationalPhi

You joke, but the most recent Westboro Beach party was explicitly not to be advertised on Facebook to avoid a previous beach party where too many people came from as far as Crystal Bay, Kanata and even (gasp) Stittsville.

LOL. A throng of soccer Moms (in bikinis ) with their spoiled brat children in tow will ruin any beach party.

Seriously though, it does bring up the point that Westboro Beach is very small and best reserved for those who live nearby. It may not be wise to draw attention to it by having a station share its name. It could also explain why there is no sign for the beach on the parkway (only the lookout).

Originally Posted by RationalPhi

Dominion Ave is a one block street that doesn't even intersect Richmond and has all of a dozen houses and one condo building in it. It's not a notable street even by locals. On the other hand, LRT plans include adding an additional pedestrian SJAM crossing near the station currently known as Dominion to improve access to the river.

I'll compromise on Dominissippi.

It is an extraordinarily minor street, but it is also a minor station. The purpose of a station name is to give reference as to its location for those who might want to use the station. Dominion may not be perfect for that, but most of the locals will understand what it means. SJAM Parkway would do a better job of giving reference to the station location. While Kitchissippi does mean river, most people don't know that. For that reason, it really isn't any more helpful than Dominion.

[rocketphish]

We already know that East-West Connectors is the consortium selected to build the eastern and western LRT extensions. This press release reveals that the architects for all the new stations will be Perkins&Will and Diamond Schmitt.

https://www.wsp.com/en-CA/news/2019/...line-extension

You may recall that Perkins&Will took part in the LRT's preliminary design phase, in which they produced these station plans:

https://perkinswill.com/project/otta...deration-line/

Is this a taste of things to come?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

We already know that East-West Connectors is the consortium selected to build the eastern and western LRT extensions. This press release reveals that the architects for all the new stations will be Perkins + Will and Diamond Schmitt.

https://www.wsp.com/en-CA/news/2019/...line-extension

You may recall that Perkins + Will were part of one of the losing consortia for Stage 1, in which they produced these station plans:

https://perkinswill.com/project/otta...deration-line/

Is this a taste of things to come?

That second link was part of the work they did for the City of Ottawa during the planning phase of the Confederation Line, not a loosing bid. Note the station cross-section under the Canal, the entrance at Confederation Square and the longer platforms.

I'm surprised East-West Connectors picked such a high-profile team of architects to design stations that are really quite basic (Stage 2 compared to Stage 1).

EDIT: I see you updated your post just before I posted mine.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

You may recall that Perkins&Will took part in the LRT's preliminary design phase, in which they produced these station plans:

https://perkinswill.com/project/otta...deration-line/

Is this a taste of things to come?

What the hell is this?

[OCCheetos]

We've already seen some significant changes to the station designs on the Trillium line (namely Uplands) and station configurations are supposedly being changed too. Maybe they'll spice up the rest of the stations too..

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

What the hell is this?

Good Day.

IIRC, and with a bit of extrapolation, it represents the preliminary plans illustration when Rideau station was deep deep sub-canal, with entrances from beside the NAC north ramp on the west side of the canal, and from beside the Colonel By side of the (Conference Centre) Senate Chambers Bldg, on the east side of the canal, the top glass entrance bldg in the illustration. The bottom-most tube is the train platform level, and the upper cross tube was to be one end of the pedestrian walk or people-mover connection between the west side, the east side, and the Rideau Centre.

And if you're thinking WOW ...... oh, yeah, I think this may have been the beginnings of the movement to move and shallow out Rideau station.

Best assumption only, no hard info. EnJoy!

BTW, I believe the WSP website illustration is of Bayshore station.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

https://www.wsp.com/en-CA/news/2019/...line-extension

Is WSP allowed to work with the City of Ottawa? WSP was formerly known as Genivar, engineers of the flawed designs for the Airport Parkway and Hazeldean Rd bridges.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

IIRC, and with a bit of extrapolation, it represents the preliminary plans illustration when Rideau station was deep deep sub-canal, with entrances from beside the NAC north ramp on the west side of the canal, and from beside the Colonel By side of the (Conference Centre) Senate Chambers Bldg, on the east side of the canal, the top glass entrance bldg in the illustration. The bottom-most tube is the train platform level, and the upper cross tube was to be one end of the pedestrian walk or people-mover connection between the west side, the east side, and the Rideau Centre.

And if you're thinking WOW ...... oh, yeah, I think this may have been the beginnings of the movement to move and shallow out Rideau station.

Best assumption only, no hard info. EnJoy!

Judging from the fact there are palm trees in that diagram, it's probably from their Riyadh Metro project

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Judging from the fact there are palm trees in that diagram, it's probably from their Riyadh Metro project

Good Day.

I would not be surprised..... illustrations are so very often re-used or re-purposed from project to project, with very little appropriate adjustment in detail.

A corker of another flaw in illustration is Alstom's video introducing the Spirit vehicle, near the beginning, wherein the Rideau Canal is a car roadway. Whoof !

I referenced the Rideau station inasfar as it was so labeled in the website page, and you can see how they assumed the re-purposing from the overall early renderings of other aspects of illustrations of Rideau station from the time (the glass-clad surface portal beside the Conference Centre, the depth of the station proposed, the angles proposed, and the pedestrian passageway proposals under the canal alongside the RoW tunnel). and Rideau station is the only one so deep, so is the only candidate station to fit to the illustration.
It's still a whoof !

And indeed you can see how they have furthur developed the station roof / sunscreen / open ventilation concept, from the back-of-the-napkin sketches in the Riyadh page, to the C-Line page.

Nice spotting !

[kevinbottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That second link was part of the work they did for the City of Ottawa during the planning phase of the Confederation Line, not a loosing bid. Note the station cross-section under the Canal, the entrance at Confederation Square and the longer platforms.

I'm surprised East-West Connectors picked such a high-profile team of architects to design stations that are really quite basic (Stage 2 compared to Stage 1).

EDIT: I see you updated your post just before I posted mine.

I love that Confederation Square entrance. Would've added to the European feel of the area.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Is WSP allowed to work with the City of Ottawa? WSP was formerly known as Genivar, engineers of the flawed designs for the Airport Parkway and Hazeldean Rd bridges.

WSP does a huge amount of work for the city. Genivar bought WSP, which wasn't small, then changed to their name, then gobbled up MMM group, which itself was quite a firm.

They're one of the city's top engineering contractors by volume of work, and just opened a massive new office.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by RationalPhi

You joke, but the most recent Westboro Beach party was explicitly not to be advertised on Facebook to avoid a previous beach party where too many people came from as far as Crystal Bay, Kanata and even (gasp) Stittsville.

Stittsville!?!? (Faints)

[rocketphish]

'People were in tears': Tree loss for Stage 2 LRT upsets residents
Clearing has started along the Confederation Line's west extension

Hillary Johnstone · CBC News
Posted: Dec 04, 2019 6:50 AM ET | Last Updated: 6 hours ago



Some people who live near the western extension of Ottawa's light rail project say they're horrified by the number of trees that have already been cut down.

Tree and vegetation clearing has already started along the future route to Moodie Drive and Algonquin College, including on Connaught Avenue and sections of the Byron Linear Park.

Marie O'Sullivan, whose home is next to Connaught Park, said at a Tuesday evening public LRT meeting it was devastating to watch as mature trees were recently taken down.

"It was horrible actually. It was like the death of many friends. And I know many people felt that way. People were in tears as they came by our house," she said.

The city has said it will aim to plant two trees for every one that is removed during LRT development, expected to take until 2025 for this section west of Tunney's Pasture station.

On Tuesday, Bay Coun. Theresa Kavanagh pressed for clarification about the definition of a tree during the finance and economic development committee (FEDCO) meeting at City Hall.

Kavanagh said city staff have told her any tree that is 10 centimetres or more in diameter will eventually be replaced with two trees that are at least seven centimetres in diameter.

"It's natural that we're going to lose trees … and it's heartbreaking," she said.

"But the other thing to remember ... is that where the train is going, the Transitway which is being used now [for buses] will be naturalized after. So there will be some gain there."

Dozens of people attended the first of five city-wide public drop-in information sessions on the $4.7 billion LRT Stage 2 project on Tuesday evening at the Ukranian Orthodox Cathedral on Byron Avenue, and the loss of trees was a top concern for many.

Other residents there said they understand the loss of trees is inevitable.

"There's no gain without pain," said Rise Paquette.

Paquette said she hasn't had many issues with the Confederation Line since she travels at off-peak times, and she's looking forward to having a station near her home in the future.

The next public information session on Stage 2 of the LRT will be Thursday at Bob MacQuarrie Recreation Complex in Orléans from 6:30 to 8:30 pm.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.5383353

[Dengler Avenue]

Tree huggers much? Whenever we build something, something else has to go, be it properties, roads, trees, grass or waterways.

At least I’m happy to hear that the abandoned portion of transitway will be naturalized, assuming that means trees will go there.

Edit: It’ll be fun if climate change ends up making it cheaper to acquire and demolish properties than to clear forests.

[harls]

Aren't they planting two trees for every one they cut down?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by harls

Aren't they planting two trees for every one they cut down?

Yes, though will they guarantee that all of the trees planted will survive? The city doesn't have a great track record for keeping newly planted trees alive.

OTOH, the other factor to consider is many of the trees being cut down are nearing the end of their life anyway, so had they been left, they would have started dying within the next decade or so anyway.

[OTownandDown]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Yes, though will they guarantee that all of the trees planted will survive? The city doesn't have a great track record for keeping newly planted trees alive.

OTOH, the other factor to consider is many of the trees being cut down are nearing the end of their life anyway, so had they been left, they would have started dying within the next decade or so anyway.

But what of the 200 year old oaks!?