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Old Posted Dec 2, 2019, 9:37 PM
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This is genius. Somebody get this guy on staff.

I'll always remember looking into the giant hole at Lyon station and a construction worker describing the tunnel stub extending to the south for the 2nd line to run through downtown, so that the future stations could be connected.

If the eastern trains looped through downtown first, then around Gatineau and back, it would be amazing. Then the western trains could continue to what, lol, Jasmine Crescent (just poking the bear) before turning back to Kanata... OR you could get all trains looping, similar to Chicago (which would also allow for the Gatineau trains to do a loop and then go back to Aylmer.)

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While serving Rideau is great and in many ways necessary, probably the cheapest, shortest , shallowest and least disruptive route for a tunnel would have been to pass under the canal right after uOttawa and then under Albert, with a station at Confederation Park/City Hall. It would have avoided the sinkhole incident

However, if we did need a second tunnel, the east and west segments could be separated with the Orleans trains looping out to Gatineau and the western trains continuing down a Rideau-Montreal subway

     
     
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2019, 11:45 PM
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What constraints do the current sewage tunnel, and possible Sandy Hill Interprovincial Truck Tunnel (SHITT) put on future possible underground transit alignments, I wonder?
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2019, 11:53 PM
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I'll always remember looking into the giant hole at Lyon station and a construction worker describing the tunnel stub extending to the south for the 2nd line to run through downtown, so that the future stations could be connected.
The now-released output specifications never mention a parallel or perpendicular tunnel, and the CSST is being built in the proximity, so...
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2019, 2:26 AM
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OC Transpo proud to show off millions of wasted dollars and laugh at the climate emergency. I feel like THIS would have been a good use for the hybrids?


https://twitter.com/OC_Transpo/status/1201514009620598789
I couldn't see the image you posted, so I rehosted it to make it visible to all.

     
     
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2019, 2:42 PM
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The now-released output specifications never mention a parallel or perpendicular tunnel, and the CSST is being built in the proximity, so...
Well, if you take the lowest point of the south foundation wall of the Lyon Station escalator shaft and extend an equal sized (pedestrian sized) tunnel due south about 100 yards, that's what's built there. I wonder if there's a door or something at the bottom of the escalators that turn south instead of north.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2019, 3:06 PM
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The now-released output specifications never mention a parallel or perpendicular tunnel, and the CSST is being built in the proximity, so...
The CSST tunnel is under Slater, leaving room for a potential second subway under Albert at sometime in the far off future.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2019, 3:19 PM
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I gather they need to keep the idling to keep the air brakes charged. From what I have read, any air brake equipped vehicle needs to run for 10 minutes to pressure up the air brake reservoir before they can start driving. When the train goes down, that 10 minutes will seem like an eternity.

Now in the garage, they might be able to keep the reservoir charged by connecting it to an air compressor, but I suspect they aren't setup for that.
I did not know this. Thanks! I still question the OC's handling of the R1 service however, you have provided a partial explanation that I hadn't heard before.

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I can't see Ottawa doing this, when we didn't do cut and cover the first time. Will we be able to insert another subway over the top of the existing subway and not cause problems? Usually, when a new subway is built that needs to cross an existing line, they put it under the existing subway to make sure nothing is compromised.
A second subway under Rideau, plugged into the existing stations seems extremely complicated and almost impossible however, cities around the world have been doing this for ages. Examples in Canada are Montréal's Blue Line connected to both sides of the Orange "U". The REM will also connect with a few existing stations (though the they are using an existing tunnel). In Toronto, they have three transfer station between the Bloor and Yonge-University lines. Toronto initially roughed-in station(s) for a future Queen Street subway, but I'm not sure if they had done the same for the Bloor Street subway that ended up being built. They are doing the same now for transfer stations between Yonge-University and Eglinton.
     
     
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Today's presentations at FEDCO regarding the Confederation Line Update and the Stage 2 LRT Update are now available to view on O-Train Fans.

https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/confederation-line-stage-2-lrt-update-fedco-december-3-2019
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2019, 5:09 PM
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To a question from Coun. @JLeiper, Manconi says it's cositng $95K per week to operate those 20 standby replacement buses. #Ottnews
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2019, 12:50 AM
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City puts RTG under closer watch as company debugs $2.1-billion LRT system
The city continues to hold back maintenance payments to RTG because of LRT service delays caused by malfunctions.

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: December 3, 2019


Rideau Transit Group has the City of Ottawa breathing down its neck as the company tries to stabilize the Confederation Line.

City transportation general manager John Manconi told councillors Tuesday he has launched a review of RTG’s operations to see if there are any deficiencies in the company’s work maintaining the $2.1-billion LRT system.

“What we’re going to look into is a deeper dive into the maintenance regime, the personnel that they have out there working on the system, the resourcing level, that they’re using modern and appropriate techniques to maintain the system,” Manconi said after providing an update on LRT during a finance and economic development committee meeting.

“Why?” he added. “The customer.”

RTG has done well lately keeping trains in service, Manconi said, but the city wants to see evidence that the company can sustain those operations.

The city continues to hold back maintenance payments to RTG because of LRT service delays caused by malfunctions. The monthly payments would usually run between $4 million and $5 million.

The city will use outside rail experts to monitor the LRT system. The city expects to cover the costs from financial penalties laid out in the LRT contract.

Mayor Jim Watson said he has felt compelled to speak directly with RTG management to reiterate the city’s disappointment about the quality of service so far.

Watson said he has noticed RTG “pick up their game.”

Recently, the LRT system has been delivering about 98 per cent of scheduled trips.

The committee received updates on Stage 1 LRT operations and construction of Stage 2.

Train control and monitoring system is key to LRT stability

Of the four watch items for LRT reliability, Transpo has intense focus on the train control and monitoring system, which controls all the critical functions of the train.

Manconi said the number of computer glitches have been decreasing but RTG still hasn’t identified a root cause of the problems. A software update across the fleet has been designed to minimize the impact of a computer fault and collect data for Alstom engineers.

RTG hasn’t identified a date when the problems will be completely resolved.

Transpo is also seeing an improvement in the number of door malfunctions as it continues to urge passengers to stop holding doors open. There were three times last week when held doors resulted in service interruptions.

Problems with the vehicle onboard controller, which connects the train to the signals, seem to be now only happening in the maintenance and storage yard, not the main line.

RTG has put more staff on the rail line monitoring track switches, paying closer attention to the switches at Tunney’s Pasture and Blair stations.

RTG can’t be blamed for all the times a train needs to be taken out of rotation during peak service. A train had to be removed from service Monday because someone urinated in it.

Extra trains possible by end of January

RTG might be able to put more trains in service by the end of January, councillors heard.

If that happens, LRT customers can expect more capacity on the rail lines at the busiest times.

Thirteen double-car trains currently run on the LRT line, with a chance of getting up to 15 by the end of next month.

Transpo, however, doesn’t want to add more trains to a line that’s still working out the kinks, especially the problems with the train control system.

‘Fast-tracking’ driver training to get more buses on the road

Transpo needs to hustle to get new bus drivers road ready.

Transpo has its human resources department and Ontario Ministry of Transportation officials working to get the operators certified and put on the payroll.

Manconi said the training program usually takes six weeks, but the agency is “fast tracking” training while still adhering to provincial curriculum requirements. Transpo wants to have more than 100 operators ready in January, so some training might have to be done on the weekends. Transpo is also trying to bring back trainers from retirement.

Manconi said Transpo currently has enough operators to run all the buses, but it needs to build up the list of spares in case operators call in sick and book vacation.

Forty recommissioned buses have been put on the road and Transpo is planning the launch of an additional 19 buses in January.

Twenty new buses are on standby at the Coventry Road baseball stadium in case LRT goes down in peak hours. Operating the idle buses will cost Transpo $95,000 each week.

Again, the city is using maintenance money held back from RTG and invoking financial clauses in the LRT contract to pay for the costs.

South-end councillor worried Stage 2 Trillium Line stations won’t have roofs

Gloucester-South Nepean Coun. Carol Anne Meehan was shocked to learn that new stations on the Trillium Line won’t be enclosed. She reminded staff, “this is Canada.”

Michael Morgan, the director of O-Train construction, said it would be “cost-prohibitive” to put roofs on the new stations since they weren’t part of the council-approved design.

Manconi said adding roofs would cost hundreds of millions of dollars and he reminded councillors that the Trillium Line isn’t a subway line.

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Fast tracking bus driver training? Not after that fatal incident at the beginning of the year. Shouldn’t bus drivers be trained as rigorously as truck drivers?
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Fast tracking bus driver training? Not after that fatal incident at the beginning of the year. Shouldn’t bus drivers be trained as rigorously as truck drivers?
Apparently truck drivers are also minimally trained based on a Marketplace last season.

I agree: fast-tracking training sounds like a terrible idea. Possibly the worst that has come out of OC Transpo ever.
     
     
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Tonight it took me 90 minutes to get from Blair Station to my house by the Museum of Nature. Mechanical failure, waited forever, slow arrival of R1 buses, and they take a wild route to get to St Laurent where eventually I was able to board a train.
     
     
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Tonight it took me 90 minutes to get from Blair Station to my house by the Museum of Nature. Mechanical failure, waited forever, slow arrival of R1 buses, and they take a wild route to get to St Laurent where eventually I was able to board a train.
Nothing different than what has been going on with the Trillium Line for years. The bus substitute has a horrendously convoluted route. The only difference. Who cares about students? The C-Line affects a whole lot more regular commuters.

At least what you experienced does not happen every day. With the Trillium Line, the replacement route will be operating for over 2 years starting next May.

Nevertheless, the lack of reliability of the C-Line does not bode well for public transit in Ottawa. It is critical that the reliability issue be resolved.

Of course, the wisdom of signing onto Phase 2 before the kinks of Phase 1 have been resolved is now being publicly questioned.
     
     
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Are you all ever scared that in Ottawa we’ll end up seeing glorified near-empty light rail trains down the road?
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Are you all ever scared that in Ottawa we’ll end up seeing glorified near-empty light rail trains down the road?
No. It will be interesting to see the November ridership numbers. There may be some loss. But September and October ridership was up quite a bit.

We hear a lot from folks who say they are giving up (seemingly mostly from the suburbs) but I'm sure there are others who are new riders.

The reliability is trending better and these issues will be fixed. It's just a matter of when.
     
     
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Are you all ever scared that in Ottawa we’ll end up seeing glorified near-empty light rail trains down the road?
No.

I was back in Ottawa last week and took the train at 11:30am on Thursday from Parliament to Westboro. Fast, smooth, and train was full enough that it was hard to find a seat.

As has been mentioned repeatedly in this thread.. the "issues" on the C-Line are common to transit systems all over the world. 95% (?) of the time the system functions just as intended..

Dealing with the failures needs to be sorted out more, but in general, this should be a solvable problem.
     
     
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Of course, the wisdom of signing onto Phase 2 before the kinks of Phase 1 have been resolved is now being publicly questioned.
It is, but what would the benefit of waiting have been? There would have been no benefit at all. The Stage 1 Launch issues probably would have resulted in Stage 2 being delayed for years.

We bought our LRT vehicles from one of the biggest rail manufacturers in the world. By the time Phase 2 opens, these issues will have been long fixed.
     
     
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While serving Rideau is great and in many ways necessary, probably the cheapest, shortest , shallowest and least disruptive route for a tunnel would have been to pass under the canal right after uOttawa and then under Albert, with a station at Confederation Park/City Hall. It would have avoided the sinkhole incident

However, if we did need a second tunnel, the east and west segments could be separated with the Orleans trains looping out to Gatineau and the western trains continuing down a Rideau-Montreal subway

That's a pretty good idea, but I would change it slightly so as to cross over the existing POW bridge. There are tracks in Gatineau that lead east to just across from Les Terraces, then you can pick up the route shown in your image. That way we're using existing infrastructure and picking up even more people.
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As has been mentioned repeatedly in this thread.. the "issues" on the C-Line are common to transit systems all over the world. 95% (?) of the time the system functions just as intended..
From yesterday's FEDCO, the weekly averages are about 97-98% and trending positively.

The one major exception was the week where the rail break occurred and slow orders were issued.
     
     
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