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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 4:00 AM
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The grocery stores in Timmins get the worst of the fruits and vegetables. It's really sad. We often don't even get things that are normally found in groceries stores if the suppliers or warehouses don't have enough. The warehouses in the GTA give priority to the South while we get the worst.

It's not the same in Rouyn-Noranda which is supplied from the Montreal area. They have much better and fresher stuff.

Is T-Bay similar to Timmins when it comes to the poor quality or lack of produce?
The quality isn't too bad (I shop at Superstore, which gets supplied out of Western Canada), but sometimes we run out of a large amount of things. Not just "there's no celery right now", but like, "There's no leafy greens, no peppers, no potatoes, no onions, no celery, no bananas, no pears, no garlic, and no strawberries" kind of stuff. I send pictures like this to a friend of mine every once in a while as a joke about life up here:




Like, this isn't too unusual for Superstore. I went there a few weeks ago and one side of the produce section was just lettuce. There were no carrots or turnips or beets or celery or anything on that side, it was just hundreds of packages of lettuce.

There was actually one time a couple months ago where I went to Superstore and my list was basically milk, eggs, potatoes, carrots, peppers, onions, bread and chicken. The only thing I was able to actually buy was carrots and milk, because all the other items were completely out of stock, unless I wanted quail eggs or little thai chilis or shallots. If you're buying the stuff from the middle aisles, all the processed food and baking goods that are more shelf stable, they're more reliable on that. But anything that expires, there's certain times of the week where "the truck hasn't come yet" and they just have nothing left. I've had to go to multiple stores before to find a bag of yellow potatoes. Walmart doesn't seem to have this problem but they put all their produce individually into plastic bags and I refuse to buy it like that.

Superstore's bakery section is also really bad if you want plain white bread, but fantastic if you want rye. They've got like 80 different kinds of rye for some reason, but literally only three kinds of white bread: Wonderbread in a 2 foot long loaf, store baked bread with the thickest, hardest crust ever and giant holes throughout, and Old Mill which never grows mould or expires. It just turns grey and slowly shrinks.

The red onions they sell here, I swear to god, they drag them here from Mexico. You can barely even tell they were onions, it's insane how gross they are. People still buy them! But you have to remove like a third of it to get to anything usable! I love red onions but I never buy them because not even Safeway—which by far has the best produce here, slightly better than Metro—ever has decent ones. Maybe there's just something about red onions that makes them naturally covered in what I'm guessing are cankers? I actually found an article about bad onions in Bangladesh and I swear to god the photo of bad onions is exactly what Superstore puts on sale as "fresh produce"


https://www.thedailystar.net/news/onion-of-discord

Like, a few of those are maybe usable, but... would you?

Also Superstore's sweet potatoes are — massive, they're priced at less than a dollar a pound usually, I only buy one and it's never less than $2.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 4:09 AM
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I’m curious: What can be grown around Fort Frances, around Matheson, around SSM and around Warren-Markstay then?
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 4:14 AM
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Mostly it's wheat and potatoes. There are some hardy strains of wheat that do well here. There is also some corn. It's mostly used for animal feed as opposed to human consumption, though the potatoes are commercially sold. B&B Farms grows a large amount of them and they're what the local Superstore usually stocks, but they don't grow yellow or yukon potatoes, which are the ones I buy. Some of the hardy leafy plants like cabbage do well. Onions probably do well. Turnip and rutabega would do well but hardly anyone eats that anymore, Superstore never runs out of those. They're usually what they put out to fill space when the tasty vegetables are gone.

On a smaller scale, there are farms that grow a variety of produce, everything from peppers, tomatoes and strawberries to carrots, beets, celery and a variety of leafy greens. There are a lot of really weird micro climates here (especially around Lake Superior), there are even a couple places that grow small quantities of grapes, but they're more for personal use than for sale since the yield is so small. The other big sector of agriculture up here is livestock, there are quite a few raising chickens (especially for eggs), sheep and cows (especially for milk and cheese). Not sure about pigs. There used to be an ostrich farm in Thunder Bay but I think it's gone now.

I think there are also a couple apple orchards in the region.

Has anyone tried the Chinese giant carrots? Superstore sometimes has them but Safeway regularly stocks them, they're actually really good.
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I’m curious: What can be grown around Fort Frances, around Matheson, around SSM and around Warren-Markstay then?
You might be surprised.....

Potatoes are big. So are other root vegetables. If you go to the farm markets or the market the city of Sudbury hosts, the variety is not much different than the 400 Market.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 1:33 PM
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400 Market? What’s that?

In general, I’m trying to gauge how well the north can sustain itself in terms of food supplies.
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Lots can be grown in Northern Ontario, it just takes some ingenuity or out of the box thinking. Growing a garden myself each year, the bigger issue I've found is that the summers here vary widely in terms of precipitation and temperature, so what grows well one year will under-perform the next year. A commercial grower would have to roll the dice and — on what to plant.

Zucchini, cucumbers, carrots, potatoes, onions, lettuce, etc. (vegetables that either grow in the ground or like cooler weather with decent precipitation levels) will all grow here no problem. There are a lot of producers in Northern Ontario that can sell at the Farmer's Market level, I just don't think the appetite and/or local market is there to scale up to commercial distribution in most cases.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2019, 1:21 AM
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It can be a bit of a challenge to simply put together enough land for a commercial scale farm. The farms east of Thunder Bay (where the weirdest microclimates exist) are all really small, they're little more than large gardens. They grow enough to sell extra at the farmer's market but that's it.

My dad lives in the rocky highlands north of the city, and they've got a few low spots with thicker soil and grow lots of root vegetables no problem. In a greenhouse you can always get tomatoes and zucchini and such.
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400 Market? What’s that?

In general, I’m trying to gauge how well the north can sustain itself in terms of food supplies.
If we had no outside food coming in, we would have a crisis. However, we likely can supply around 50% of the food that is grown here to us. For example, potatoes; around harvest time, and for months after that, I see and buy local potatoes in the various grocery stores and even Walmart.
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I wonder what the quality of goods is like in Amos or Normétal, whichever town you hit first after ON-101 turns into QC-388.

Ps: I always find it confusing that ON-101 and QC-101 serve neighbouring area yet that they’re two completely different highways.
The highways don't confuse us because ours is East-West while Quebec's in North-South. And the 101s don't meet.

The closest place with a full grocery store after crossing the border at that spot is La Sarre which is a bit to the North. It has both and IGA (part of Sobeys) and Maxi (Quebec equivalent of No Frills and part of Loblaws). The IGA is really nice and has nice produce, a nice bakery and quite a large selection of cheeses like many grocery stores in Quebec have. Better selection than what you would find at Foodland (which is a Sobeys brand) in Timmins. The Maxi is a much nicer looking store with more selection and than No Frills in Timmins. And La Sarre is much smaller than Timmins.

La Sarre is an interesting place because it's pretty much on the border with Northern Ontario but you'd never know that our province was nearby. I've never known anybody who lived there. I've never encountered an anglophone who lived there and I've been there many times. It's also quite uncommon to see an Ontario licence plate there. Most people can't speak English and most people there are pro-sovereignty even today. But it's really cool having a town like that so close to home. You get the full feeling of Quebec society in an place that looks identical to Timmins. It is also not a mining town and it's main industries are lumber and agriculture. The have a great local cheese producer and we can buy their cheeses in some stores in Timmins.

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Vid, yes we have the same issue that you showed in those photos with the emptiness and the store being out of many types of vegetables and often common basic ones. Our Your Independent Grocer (a Loblaws brand but independently owned) is terrible for that at times. But many of the other stores have the same issue. Our Walmart is just as you described and I don't like how they package stuff either.
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Around here definitely potatoes and root vegetables.

There is a tomato greenhouse operation in Hearst called "La Maison Verte" that has done quite well. Since the Mennonites have moved to near Matheson, they have been growing types of squash and some other things. I think I remember them selling varieties of lettuce too.

Of course, further South in Temiskaming District, they can grow quite a bit more. The clay belt areas up here are pretty good for growing but there aren't many people interested in agriculture. There are many more farms across the border in Quebec's Abitibi-Témiscamingue region.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2019, 3:19 AM
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If we had no outside food coming in, we would have a crisis. However, we likely can supply around 50% of the food that is grown here to us. For example, potatoes; around harvest time, and for months after that, I see and buy local potatoes in the various grocery stores and even Walmart.
We could actually grow enough for our population but food prices would rise.

We have really good kale grown in Timmins by Borealis Fresh Farms grown hydroponically year-round. I'm sure other things could be grown that way. There has been talk of using one of our underground mines to grow food because the temperature is consistent underground and there would be no heating costs. Basically the further down you go, the warmer it gets.
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Around here definitely potatoes and root vegetables.

There is a tomato greenhouse operation in Hearst called "La Maison Verte" that has done quite well. Since the Mennonites have moved to near Matheson, they have been growing types of squash and some other things. I think I remember them selling varieties of lettuce too.

Of course, further South in Temiskaming District, they can grow quite a bit more. The clay belt areas up here are pretty good for growing but there aren't many people interested in agriculture. There are many more farms across the border in Quebec's Abitibi-Témiscamingue region.
I think you might be the lucky one here because you can just drive an hour to Quebec to buy good stuff just in case.
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Thunder Bay has a really vibrant 'grow local' movement. For what its worth, my wife and I have started a small garlic farm in Neebing, planting 3600 cloves and 3 varieties last month. Most of this will go back to seed next year but we hope to join the 'grow local' movement with 1500 or so bulbs up for sale next August!
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I think you might be the lucky one here because you can just drive an hour to Quebec to buy good stuff just in case.
It's about 1.5 hours to get to the border during good conditions in the Summer. Just over 2 hours to La Sarre and 2.5 hours to Rouyn-Noranda. But for much of the year you can't drive it that quickly.

A number of people here will do beer runs and buy a whole bunch of cases at grocery stores there. For awhile it was $10-12 cheaper per case of 24 for major brands. Today I think it's $7 or 8 cheaper but I'd have to check. And that's with deposit and taxes included for both Ontario and Quebec. There are big savings on the 60 packs of cans. The deposit in Quebec is only 5 cents per can and you can return the cans at The Beer Store in Ontario and get 10 cents back for each can!
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Thunder Bay has a really vibrant 'grow local' movement. For what its worth, my wife and I have started a small garlic farm in Neebing, planting 3600 cloves and 3 varieties last month. Most of this will go back to seed next year but we hope to join the 'grow local' movement with 1500 or so bulbs up for sale next August!
Cool!
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Thunder Bay has a really vibrant 'grow local' movement. For what its worth, my wife and I have started a small garlic farm in Neebing, planting 3600 cloves and 3 varieties last month. Most of this will go back to seed next year but we hope to join the 'grow local' movement with 1500 or so bulbs up for sale next August!
Just another aspect of our independent streak.
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Greater Sudbury

Maley Drive Extension Phase 1 opens today.
https://www.greatersudbury.ca/live/trans...tion-and-projects/maley-drive-extension/

Also, MR 35 (Old Highway 144) in Azilda has been widened to 4 lanes. Not fully completed, as the traffic lights are temporary with the new ones to be installed at a later date.
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Greater Sudbury

Maley Drive Extension Phase 1 opens today.
https://www.greatersudbury.ca/live/trans...tion-and-projects/maley-drive-extension/

Also, MR 35 (Old Highway 144) in Azilda has been widened to 4 lanes. Not fully completed, as the traffic lights are temporary with the new ones to be installed at a later date.
Woah I thought the latter was still on the drawing/discussion board.
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Woah I thought the latter was still on the drawing/discussion board.
Nope. The section between Azilda and Chelmsford is expected to be done next year.
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