Winnipeg | Osborne Village & Fort Rouge | Developments & Discussions

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by EdwardTH

You're comparing a place that has very impoverished residents to a place that has mostly middle-class residents and attracts panhandlers seeking cash from those residents. The demographics have nothing in common. Do we seriously think a few retail vacancies are going to turn the village into a ghetto? Why? It seems like maybe you guys are somehow under the impression the village relies on scores of people from the rest of Wpg flocking to the village to shop there. It doesn't. The village is mostly self-sufficient, it's driven by the residential density that is established (and continues to grow) there. I'd love to know how a few empty storefronts is going to lead to thousands and thousands of middle- to high-end residential units to suddenly empty out.... The residents will still be there, with or without American Apparel.

I don't think that's the point. The point was merely that it's possible for things to take a rapid turn for the worst. Osborne may not be on the verge of disaster, but it does have issues, namely that the health of the commercial and retail sector of the strip appears to be declining, and poorly conceived zoning laws continue to make it difficult to make new developments on the street viable.

Add that to landlords charging rents that tend to be on the "too high" end of the spectrum and an obvious disregard for streetscaping and it's no shock that some people are concerned. Osborne should easily be thriving and yet something seems to be holding it back...

[esquire]

Originally Posted by EdwardTH

You're comparing a place that has very impoverished residents to a place that has mostly middle-class residents and attracts panhandlers seeking cash from those residents. The demographics have nothing in common.

But that's the point, it wasn't always like that. The North End of the 70s has nothing in common with the North End of today. My dad owned a house on Pritchard near Selkirk up until the mid 70s... it appealed to him because it was convenient to work and it was a bit of a hub for Ukrainian Canadians... he said when he bought his place in the late 60s, it was not much different than other working class neighbourhoods in the city. Yet 30 years after he moved out, the area had taken on an extremely different character and was no longer a place you'd necessarily walk around at night, for example.

Anyway, I'm not saying OV is at the tipping point yet, but sometimes that type of deterioration can start spinning out of control pretty quickly.

[headhorse]

sorry if it's been mentioned, but the 2020 infrastructure plan mentions consolidating 4 fire paramedic stations, including the two on Osborne St, at a city owned spot on Mulvey Ave E.

also noticed that there is a proposal for NW corner of Nassau and River. Affinity architecture, 4 story apartment. looks like —. no retail on the ground floor either... is that not allowed on River?

[headhorse]

pretty sure the property is 409 Mulvey Ave East, which seems like weird use of that space... riverfront and right next to a rapid transit station.. I guess the railyard too? not really sure what to think of Osborne Station.. definitely hasn't spurred any residential construction there (the proposed Imperial apartments are on hold)

[esquire]

^ That area could properly accommodate a WFPS station if it was built in a compact size without a huge lot around it, but as we all know the City doesn't really do that. It would be awful if that station compromised a future TOD or other high density form of development around there.

That said, it will be nice to see WFPS vacate the Osborne and Stradbrook firehall and open it up for other development.

[headhorse]

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[buzzg]

Originally Posted by headhorse

pretty sure the property is 409 Mulvey Ave East, which seems like weird use of that space... riverfront and right next to a rapid transit station.. I guess the railyard too? not really sure what to think of Osborne Station.. definitely hasn't spurred any residential construction there (the proposed Imperial apartments are on hold)

They're currently under construction... they need to build them in order to lease the first phase offices (there's no parking in phase 1).

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by buzzg

They're currently under construction... they need to build them in order to lease the first phase offices (there's no parking in phase 1).

There hasn’t been any activity on site for a few weeks now.

[headhorse]

they’re just building the parkade, “phase 2” is going to be apartments.. I’ll try t find a link

[buzzg]

Does the city have any way to force them to finish the apartments as proposed?

[headhorse]

from December 2018:

DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT
This project will be built in 2 phases. The subject application deals with Phase 1.Phase 1 contains uses permitted under the existing zoning district (“C2” –Commercial Community), and includes levels 1-7 of the building, as follows:
Level 1 will contain 1 commercial unit and access to upper-level parkade, residential and office uses.
Level 2 will contain parkade uses.
Levels 2-5 will contain parkade uses and 1 residential suite per level
Level 6 will contain office uses, a gym, and a roof deck.
Level 7 will contain office uses.

from http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/ViewDoc....5&InitUrl=/DMIS/Documents/ba/2018/m17504

[buzzg]

Interesting. Seems odd with all the money they've spent and the fancy automated parkade they're putting in, that they wouldn't want to add the residential part – it'd probably be fully spoken for in weeks. The location is PERFECT for U of M students, or just in general. You can get downtown in 5 mins on a bus and to U of M in 20.

[EndoftheBeginning]

717 Jessie infill

[buzzg]

Wonder if that Mulvey E location for the new fire hall was chosen so they can access the transityway easily if needed?

Originally Posted by EndoftheBeginning

717 Jessie infill

Looks nice, should be 4 storeys on a corner.

[EndoftheBeginning]

Originally Posted by headhorse

also noticed that there is a proposal for NW corner of Nassau and River. Affinity architecture, 4 story apartment. looks like —. no retail on the ground floor either... is that not allowed on River?

SE River at Nassau and it does look like —.

[buzzg]

Too bad Lount didn't get a hold of that property and just make a third House to go along with Conrad and Dexter.

[headhorse]

yeah, always nice to see tyndall stone. the new richardson building makes me want more buildings with the juxtaposition of raw vs polished tyndall

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

OV continues to have serious social problems. Until what's left of the OV BIZ gets a handle on that church to force them to close down its "help".

Here's where we'll have to disagree. I recognize that service worsens the neighbourhood by bringing in crime, drugs, poverty, mental illness, and everything that comes with it.

But the church and 1JustCity are on the front lines of addressing the crisis that's happening in the city. We need 10 more services like the ones the church is offering, not one fewer.

Enough with the NIMBY —.

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by headhorse

definitely hasn't spurred any residential construction there (the proposed Imperial apartments are on hold)

from what i've seen on this thread, imperial has no idea what it's doing.

also, if the city does finally move to this "blue line" approach that has more regular service, I think the station will be more of a draw. Right now, taking the "RT" at most times of day is no more regular and no faster than taking non-RT routes.

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Too bad Lount didn't get a hold of that property and just make a third House to go along with Conrad and Dexter.

i want them to build like 10 more of these. they're great.