Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

In Vancouver, Costco has two stores relatively close to the Skytrain. One is a 6 minute walk from Bridgeport Station in Richmond however, it looks a lot like Ottawa's stores with a large parking lot in a light-industrial/big box store looking area. Then you have the one in Downtown Vancouver, literally across the street from Chinatown-Stadium Station. I assume they provide underground parking?

Not many are going to carry a 50 roll package of toilet paper or a case of cat food tins onto transit.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

If we go to the other extreme, CostCo will likely never have even somewhat decent transit access. It's whole business model requires exclusive access by car to handle over-sized packages.

Millennials are going to kill Costco or at least force it to change to something unrecognizable today:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.714a385eb818

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

And crazy successful, based on the times I've been there. This week, I went in and turned around and left, because the checkout lines were too long to be bothered.

Never disputed that they were successful. Wondering why more operators haven't take up the model.

I just wonder how bad rent was at St. Laurent that Adonis chose an auro-oriented plaza down the street, instead of auto and transit access at the mall.

[DEWLine]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

If we go to the other extreme, CostCo will likely never have even somewhat decent transit access. It's whole business model requires exclusive access by car to handle over-sized packages.

Well, that's a disturbing prospect for Costco in Ottawa.

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

If we go to the other extreme, CostCo will likely never have even somewhat decent transit access. It's whole business model requires exclusive access by car to handle over-sized packages.

A future station can be added next to the future Costco location in Gloucester. Current plans account for that possibility.

Edit: That's if they're still setting up a location there. Seems to be up in the air now.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Something has struck me with my recent use of the LRT to do some basic household shopping and groceries. Retail has not adjusted that much to the LRT. Sure there's malls on the LRT. But there's only two grocery stores near stations. Farm Boy at Rideau. Expensive and small. Loblaws at Blair. Not located very close to the station. I was just thinking about the Adonis opening on St. Laurent and wondering why there's no business case for a store like that to open at the St. Laurent Mall with easy LRT access.

The line hasn't been open for more than a few months, and you think that retail would pop up? I'll bet that will change within 5 years.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

I just wonder how bad rent was at St. Laurent that Adonis chose an auro-oriented plaza down the street, instead of auto and transit access at the mall.

Adonis chose an existing building that was pretty much set up for them to move in with minimal renovation. There's no such space in St. Laurent mall.

[rocketphish]

City spent $63M to acquire property for Stage 1 LRT

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 25, 2019



Ottawa taxpayers now know how much they shelled out to buy and expropriate properties needed for Stage 1 of the city’s light rail transit system.

The city spent more than $63 million to acquire 62 properties listed in a report prepared for the Finance and Economic Development Committee and released it in advance of its meeting on Dec. 3.

The largest portion of the cost — nearly $50 million of it — was to acquire six properties on Belfast Road, now the site of the main LRT maintenance facility.

The costs include buying and expropriating private property, transactions with Crown corporations and government agencies, and the cost of six of the Confederation Line’s 13 stations that are integrated into existing privately owned buildings.

Among the highest individual payments were: $11,272,000 to the owner of 767 Belfast Rd., $7,786,000 to the owner of 747 Belfast, $7,410,000 to the owner of 725 Belfast and $6,064,000 to the owner of 731 Belfast.

The city paid $6 million to the owners of 272 Queen St. and $4 million to the owners of 156-160 Lyon Street. The smallest payment was one of $1,040 to an owner at “Highway 417-Transitway” while many tenants in affected properties were paid nothing at all.

The total also included $67,404.50 in legal fees for the transaction at 725 Belfast.

Property acquisition for Stage 1 is “now substantially complete” although a small number of claims under the Expropriation Act are still outstanding, the report says.

The city began expropriating property for the Confederation Line in March 2012. The costs weren’t released until now to protect the city’s financial interests in its negotiations with property owners and, in some cases, the owners of expropriated property who were trying to find new premises.

In calculating the payments, the Expropriation Act allows for the market value of the property, “disturbance damages” such as the cost of an owner to relocate to a new property, the cost of lost business and “injurious affectation,” which includes the negative impacts to the owner’s remaining property. In some cases, the total can include interest costs, although that was not broken down in the FEDCO report. The city is also responsible in most cases for covering the legal and appraisal costs of the owner whose property is being expropriated.

Even so, the total cost of property acquisition — $63,044,771 as of Nov. 1 — is a small portion of the total $2.1 billion cost of the Stage 1 LRT.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/city-spent-63m-to-acquire-property-for-stage-1-lrt

[SidetrackedSue]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Times have changed. Buses used to stop next to grocery stores at shopping centres such as at St. Laurent, Billings Bridge and Carlingwood, before the fancy new stations were built. Shopper convenience used to be more important. Now it is transit efficiency.

I've been working on LRT Adventures for people in my apartment complex and now that the 153 full schedule is up online (at first it wasn't for the 4x a day it goes to Tunney's) I was studying it closely.

It has 2 stops at Carlingwood, one at the Loblaws and then at the other end of the Mall. Plus a stop across the street in front of the Fairlawn Plaza (Beer store, Bulk barn, Staples, Shoppers, Swiss Chalet among others.)

When seeing that, I was taken back to my childhood.

And someone mentioned the rollers where our groceries were loaded into bins so we didn't have to carry our purchases out to the car, but drove up and a staff member put them in the car for us. Imagine not having grocery carts in a parking lot! Maybe those were the "good old days". Certainly it created jobs for people who might not be able to handle any other sort of work, including stocking shelves.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by SidetrackedSue

When seeing that, I was taken back to my childhood.

And someone mentioned the rollers where our groceries were loaded into bins so we didn't have to carry our purchases out to the car, but drove up and a staff member put them in the car for us. Imagine not having grocery carts in a parking lot! Maybe those were the "good old days". Certainly it created jobs for people who might not be able to handle any other sort of work, including stocking shelves.

The Independent at Billings Bridge still does things that way. Your groceries go in a bin that goes down rollers and you pull up outside where someone loads them into your car. Particularly good for those with mobility challenges, or those like me who consistently overestimate their grocery-carrying ability.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Not many are going to carry a 50 roll package of toilet paper or a case of cat food tins onto transit.

Though having the Costco in Gatineau next to the Rapibus is handy for employees.

And in terms of customers, it's true that people won't use transit when they're buying tons of stuff, but it does allow you to use Costco as a quick stop (that is cheap) for one or two things - which most people would not normally do given the parking lot hassles.

For example, just last week one of my kids and I met there after travelling on separate bus routes to get there, so I could their passport photo done at Costco.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Millennials are going to kill Costco or at least force it to change to something unrecognizable today:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.714a385eb818



Never disputed that they were successful. Wondering why more operators haven't take up the model.

I just wonder how bad rent was at St. Laurent that Adonis chose an auro-oriented plaza down the street, instead of auto and transit access at the mall.

I've had better prices with Amazon Subscribe and Save, plus it's delivered to you at the frequency you want. The issue with Costco is that the model is good when you have a big house, but I don't have enough space to stock what I want. Plus my neareast Costco is far enough.

[YOWflier]

Oh look the 47000000000th advertisement for Amazon article lamenting the demise of Costco and yet they keep on trucking strong. Even more precious is that it's an article in the Washington Post.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by ac888yow

Oh look the 47000000000th advertisement for Amazon article lamenting the demise of Costco and yet they keep on trucking strong. Even more precious is that it's an article in the Washington Post.

Oh look someone who wishes to attack the source and not the facts.....

Nobody is disputing that Costco is a successful outlet today. The question is whether they will be relevant to a generation that drives less, uses public transit more, shops online more and tends to live in smaller spaces (even after having families).

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Oh look someone who wishes to attack the source and not the facts.....

Nobody is disputing that Costco is a successful outlet today. The question is whether they will be relevant to a generation that drives less, uses public transit more, shops online more and tends to live in smaller spaces (even after having families).

How difficult would it be for Costco to beef up their operations on the online and delivery side in order to address these changing preferences, while still retaining the advantages of their traditional business proposition?

I know Amazon is a beast that is hard to compete with but Costco has very good buyer's leverage with product suppliers and a network of warehouses and facilities that, for the moment at least, is probably a lot more extensive than Amazon's.

And in any event, just because there is a dominant player in the market doesn't mean there isn't room for others. Not all smart phones out there are made by Apple. Not all coffee places out there are Tim Hortons or Starbucks.

[passwordisnt123]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Oh look someone who wishes to attack the source and not the facts.....

Nobody is disputing that Costco is a successful outlet today. The question is whether they will be relevant to a generation that drives less, uses public transit more, shops online more and tends to live in smaller spaces (even after having families).

I don't have a dog in this fight one way or another. But I'd say the source can be relevant in contexts where there's a potential conflict of interest or financial gain or the source isn't a disinterested party. In this particular case, i think the reason why ac888yow pointed out the source is because the Washington Post is personally owned by Jeff Bezos.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

A future station can be added next to the future Costco location in Gloucester. Current plans account for that possibility.

Edit: That's if they're still setting up a location there. Seems to be up in the air now.

It's under construction right this moment...

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by Harley613

It's under construction right this moment...

The building is listed as available on RioCan website though. Is there confirmation it will be Costco?

[YOWflier]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Oh look someone who wishes to attack the source and not the facts.....

Nobody is disputing that Costco is a successful outlet today. The question is whether they will be relevant to a generation that drives less, uses public transit more, shops online more and tends to live in smaller spaces (even after having families).

That question is only being asked by people who really have no idea what Costco has done and is doing to evolve its business.

So yeah, I guarantee you have no idea what I know on this topic.

[YOWflier]

Originally Posted by Acajack

How difficult would it be for Costco to beef up their operations on the online and delivery side in order to address these changing preferences, while still retaining the advantages of their traditional business proposition?

They've already done that and are continuing to do just that.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Not many are going to carry a 50 roll package of toilet paper or a case of cat food tins onto transit.

You'd be surprised what some humans will do for cats.