DENVER | Main Development Thread #7

[Sam Hill]

Originally Posted by SirLucasTheGreat

I like the idea but don't gondolas go a max of 10 mph? A lot of the new development seems to be on Bannock and Acoma. I would imagine if the residents didn't want to walk downtown or bike downtown, the easiest bet would be to just take the 0.

I suspect the vast majority of GT residents are not the bus-riding type.

[RyanD]

All of this Lone Tree talk makes me sad.

[SirLucasTheGreat]

Originally Posted by Sam Hill

I suspect the vast majority of GT residents are not the bus-riding type.

That's fair. Maybe horse drawn carriages.

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by semiurban

This is one of your more depressing posts.

Do you also order off of kids' menus?

In-N-Out Burger doesn't have a kids menu. I (try to) maintain a heart healthy diet but occasionally I'll indulge in a simple burger.

Originally Posted by RyanD

All of this Lone Tree talk makes me sad.

Unless it's on the Front Range thread where it belongs? (wasn't really about Lone Tree though)

[SirLucasTheGreat]

Here are some pictures in case anybody is interested:



Glass being placed on Block 162.



New Element Hotel in Golden Triangle



New Denver Art Museum Entrance



Cool mural with a new heinous monstrosity that hath no name in the background.

[bunt_q]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

the wealthiest neighborhood that doesn't flip the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 out when someone proposes a duplex doesn't mean we don't still love you.

You don't get to claim this until we are past the developer-control phase of life. You wannabe-Aurorans are close, but not there yet. Just as soon as there's something proposed that isn't clearly identified in my wrinkled circa-2003 Front Porch site plan, you'll react just the same as all the other rich white folk in Denver. Then, and only then, will we accept you as us.

[Choice]

Originally Posted by SirLucasTheGreat

I like the idea but don't gondolas go a max of 10 mph? A lot of the new development seems to be on Bannock and Acoma. I would imagine if the residents didn't want to walk downtown or bike downtown, the easiest bet would be to just take the 0.

I work in GT. I am glad that it is blowing up. However, I feel that I am the only one on this forum that prefers some of the European architecture to the modern land barges that have characterized this cycle. I feel that the euro-style gives GT a cool sophistication and makes it distinct from other neighborhoods. We definitely need more retail and more trees though.

Retail is coming. We just announced our fourth location which will be located in the Parq on Speer building.

https://businessden.com/2019/11/19/local-convenience-store-chain-to-add-golden-triangle-outpost/

A lot of other quality operators are circling as well. All of the multifamily on Bannock and Acoma has retail and their is definitely strong interest from a variety of users including fitness, restaurants and services.

[COtoOC]

Originally Posted by SirLucasTheGreat

I like the idea but don't gondolas go a max of 10 mph? A lot of the new development seems to be on Bannock and Acoma. I would imagine if the residents didn't want to walk downtown or bike downtown, the easiest bet would be to just take the 0.

I work in GT. I am glad that it is blowing up. However, I feel that I am the only one on this forum that prefers some of the European architecture to the modern land barges that have characterized this cycle. I feel that the euro-style gives GT a cool sophistication and makes it distinct from other neighborhoods. We definitely need more retail and more trees though.

I like the Euro-style buildings in GT. I never understood the hate.

[The Dirt]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

You don't get to claim this until we are past the developer-control phase of life. You wannabe-Aurorans are close, but not there yet. Just as soon as there's something proposed that isn't clearly identified in my wrinkled circa-2003 Front Porch site plan, you'll react just the same as all the other rich white folk in Denver. Then, and only then, will we accept you as us.

I went to a neighborhood meeting about 3 years ago where the developer of the MLK & Central Park SE parcel did a presentation. I asked why the proposal was for only 4 stories and there was an audible gasp from the Stapleton moms and other breeders in the room. I was told by the developer that 6 stories isn't appropriate at a major intersection because of the burden that would put on the neighbors. He said the right thing to please the pearl clutchers, but fuuuuuuuuuuuck Stapleton.

[The Dirt]

Why do the Arapahoe Square guidelines not result in more tapered buildings? It seems that the intent was to get more Vancouver style buildings, but so far all of the proposals are blocky, with no interesting roof lines. Looking at you X Denver 3.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by The Dirt

Why do the Arapahoe Square guidelines not result in more tapered buildings? It seems that the intent was to get more Vancouver style buildings, but so far all of the proposals are blocky, with no interesting roof lines. Looking at you X Denver 3.

Because the taper applies above a certain height threshold and no developer has decided the trade off is worth it yet. Looking at you condo development.

[BG918]

I think the X Denver 3 building looks great. Hopefully we'll see several more of these rise in AS over the next few years.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by The Dirt

I went to a neighborhood meeting about 3 years ago where the developer of the MLK & Central Park SE parcel did a presentation. I asked why the proposal was for only 4 stories and there was an audible gasp from the Stapleton moms and other breeders in the room. I was told by the developer that 6 stories isn't appropriate at a major intersection because of the burden that would put on the neighbors. He said the right thing to please the pearl clutchers, but fuuuuuuuuuuuck Stapleton.

So basically it was like a CHUN, GPHC, or INC meeting (minus someone decrying the developer as a fascist Nazi).

[Robert.hampton]

Originally Posted by Sam Hill

I suspect the vast majority of GT residents are not the bus-riding type.

Definitely not the walk around on public streets type either. GT residents are the condo garage to work garage to yoga garage to whole foods garage types.

So the gondola idea might actually be a good one because GT residents are probably familiar with the time they parked in Beaver Creek's heated garage and took the escalator up to the Westin's gondola.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by Robert.hampton

Definitely not the walk around on public streets type either. GT residents are the condo garage to work garage to yoga garage to whole foods garage types.

Probably a lot of the rideshare type as well. Or the on-demand servitude type if you want to look at it another way.

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by BG918

I think the X Denver 3 building looks great. Hopefully we'll see several more of these rise in AS over the next few years.

According to RyanD's rendering this project does indeed look nice.

Originally Posted by wong21fr

Because the taper applies above a certain height threshold and no developer has decided the trade off is worth it yet. Looking at you condo development.

Rhetorical question: how many people walk around looking upward as apposed to forward in the direction of travel that their feet are taking them?

Just the fact that there are now four projects over 20 stories in AS is an impressive improvement. Unfortunately (or not) with projects becoming harder to pencil I'm not to sure how many architectural flourishes we're likely to see unless as you suggest the trade-off is worth it.

[BG918]

Originally Posted by Robert.hampton

Definitely not the walk around on public streets type either. GT residents are the condo garage to work garage to yoga garage to whole foods garage types.

So the gondola idea might actually be a good one because GT residents are probably familiar with the time they parked in Beaver Creek's heated garage and took the escalator up to the Westin's gondola.

My friend at Parq on Speer doesn’t even drive her own car to the garage. She pulls up the lobby and the valet does it for her. And she doesn’t drive to Whole Foods either, she has it delivered directly to her door. Same for laundry and dog walking, both perks available to residents at Parq and other new GT towers.

[Robert.hampton]

Originally Posted by BG918

My friend at Parq on Speer doesn’t even drive her own car to the garage. She pulls up the lobby and the valet does it for her. And she doesn’t drive to Whole Foods either, she has it delivered directly to her door. Same for laundry and dog walking, both perks available to residents at Parq and other new GT towers.

Ah excellent, great to see they have come up with ways to further minimize the exposure of their residents to the public realm.

[TakeFive]

Who obsesses more over skin color: liberals or conservatives?

Originally Posted by wong21fr

So basically it was like a CHUN, GPHC, or INC meeting (minus someone decrying the developer as a fascist Nazi).

East Colfax Neighborhood Association proposes financial incentives for RNOs that diversify
November 21, 2019 By David Sachs - Denverite

When the city government needs a sounding board on decisions big and small, it turns to Denver’s network of registered neighborhood organizations, local groups that ostensibly speak for their neighbors. But while they speak loudly, they don’t always reflect the entire neighborhood. RNOs, as they’re called, tend to be more white and well-off than the places they represent, according to several RNO members who spoke with Denverite.

Can you pass the skin color test?

Phoenix is 41% Hispanic and if you're a young Hispanic adult who has finished High School and some higher education, be it a four-year school or Community College, your odds of getting hired are better than if you are plain vanilla white.

When you go in to apply for a job in Phoenix you're likely to get a skin color test. They have these 'tapes' that will measure how dark your skin color is and if you have pale colored skin then your prospects aren't so good.

Consider American Express; Their site across 56th street from the Mayo Clinic is adding a newly constructed quite large 4-story project that will enable them to grow their workforce to about 10,000 employees. They're obviously using a skin color test because a significant majority of employees have darker colored skin.

Or maybe, just maybe it's all about one's skills and has nothing to do with one's skin color? Perhaps being bi-lingual or even multi-lingual is an important and desirable skill? American Express, for example, has a large clientele from India and Asia?

Are you saying it's OK to discriminate against 'white' people just because they can only speak the 'official' language of America? Yes and yes.

BTW, with Hispanics being 41% of the Phoenix population the amount of economic power and wealth accumulation is strong. And guess what; they have the same desires (and weaknesses) as the 'ruling' white class'. They can be just as protective of their neighborhood and older Hispanics often have differing views from their children about many things. It's all very shocking.

[The Dirt]

That's maybe the most boomer post you've made.