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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 2:55 PM
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You spoke too soon. The C-Line was closed from 6:10 to 6:35 am this morning from Tunney's to Hurdman according to CBC News. I was also hopeful this week.
Yep, probably my fault. On the bright side, it seems like the incident was resolved pretty quickly and didn't seem to cause any major rush hour impacts.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 3:01 PM
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For what it's worth, I'm totally in agreement with you about this city being great. I chose to live in this city, I love it and I appreciate the fact that there are people who are trying to make it better.

I think you think I'm trying to tear down people who are trying to make the city better. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

I totally agree with you that it's a work in progress and I'm sure the confederation line will end up being a major asset for our city in the long run.

I just happen to believe that the fact that a person is working on an important or large-scale file isn't grounds for them being above scrutiny. I also believe that one part of the "work in progress" and continual improvement involves public accountability and it's not because I'm a mean person or because I hate professionals or people who are trying to make the city better.
Sorry, I was deflecting my emotions on you, based on the entirety of Confederation Line feedback via facebook and the media over the last year.

I think he's suffering from the Cherynobyl effect. People are being harassed and are stressed, he's the guy at the top, and he's being fed answers from minions that minimize the situation again and again.

He's tried to answer 'I don't know' before, and the City goes to defcon 5 over the answer, and hauls in executives from all organizations to get answers that aren't 'I don't know'. So 'I don't know' became a non-starter. And then Joanne spins the hell out of it, and it becomes a public nightmare with everyone being an expert.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 6:22 PM
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From Jon Willing at the Transportation Committee:

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Manconi says a 14th train could be put on the rails by the end of the year, as long as there are continued improvements to the door and train-control issues.
https://twitter.com/JonathanWilling/status/1197214795524653058
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 7:28 PM
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At this rate, perhaps we will get the 15th train running by April 2020?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 7:32 PM
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The Confederation Line and bus service update from today's Transit Commission meeting is available on O-Train Fans here :

https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/transit-commission-meeting-november-20-2019

Audio and additional material will be posted later as available.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 8:08 PM
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The Confederation Line and bus service update from today's Transit Commission meeting is available on O-Train Fans here :

https://www.otrainfans.ca/news/transit-commission-meeting-november-20-2019

Audio and additional material will be posted later as available.
Oddly enough, there is nothing in those slides regarding a 14th train being added soon.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 8:26 PM
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Oddly enough, there is nothing in those slides regarding a 14th train being added soon.
Good Day.

It's a provisional / conditional, which therefore does not get a slide :

"could be" & "as long as".

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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 9:55 PM
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lol, that's such a canadianism, we should definitely have a sign on the door "Don't frig with the doors, frig"
Seconded!

Imagine if Halifax had gone ahead with a rail transit program. The announcements etc. would have to be in "Trailer Park Boys" voice.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2019, 10:27 PM
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Interesting to see how the statistics show that bus service has actually improved since the big change 6 weeks ago (based on number of impacted trips per week).

Found the chart on Jon Willing's twitter feed, not sure of the original source as I can't seem to find it on the OC Transpo website so can't show the image directly as I would have liked to.
https://twitter.com/JonathanWilling/status/1197221135605207040

Edit: Found the source of the chart, thanks to Matthew Darwin
https://www.wheresmybus.ca/?year=2019

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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 12:26 AM
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Interesting to see how the statistics show that bus service has actually improved since the big change 6 weeks ago (based on number of impacted trips per week).

Found the chart on Jon Willing's twitter feed, not sure of the original source as I can't seem to find it on the OC Transpo website so can't show the image directly as I would have liked to.
https://twitter.com/JonathanWilling/status/1197221135605207040

Edit: Found the source of the chart, thanks to Matthew Darwin
https://www.wheresmybus.ca/?year=2019
You can't have impacted bus trips if you don't run the buses at all.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 12:28 AM
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Random question: is the Confederation Line run under Capital Railway?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 12:32 AM
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Random question: is the Confederation Line run under Capital Railway?
I don't believe so. It's operated directly by OC Transpo. It's also under direct delegated regulatory authority from the CTA or something like that since they don't really have regulations for federally regulated light rail lines.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 12:49 AM
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You can't have impacted bus trips if you don't run the buses at all.
The bus fleet was reduced by less than 20%. Cancellations were reduced by greater than 50%.

I think that Ottawa is suffering from a severe case of Chicken Little Syndrome.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 3:55 AM
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The bus fleet was reduced by less than 20%. Cancellations were reduced by greater than 50%.

I think that Ottawa is suffering from a severe case of Chicken Little Syndrome.
I think they were referring to service cuts by way of route cancellations and frequency reductions.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 12:34 PM
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Buses save trains and other takeaways from city hall

Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 20, 2019


City hall is something of a Magic School Bus for civic-minded adults, where you bump along going Lord knows where, without a seatbelt, looking for odd bits of wisdom.

Things I learned during a day-long meeting of Ottawa’s transit commission Wednesday.

Trains are smart, buses smarter.

The solution to troubles with the new $2.1-billion light rail system is, of course, buses — the very things we’re aiming to get rid of. Follow the bouncing ball: with the full launch of LRT on Oct. 6, we took 176 buses off the road because they were unneeded, inefficient, polluting modes of travel, then urgently added 40 more, then announced we were buying 19 new ones, now herald the arrival of 20 more — giving us 79 on the plus side since early November.

To be ready for train failures, 20 of the buses will be parked at the baseball stadium on Coventry Road, ready to launch into replacement, or R1, service. They will wait idling, the commission was told, during the morning and afternoon peaks.

Yes, idling, each with an operator, who makes in the range of $30 an hour, on good days not driving anywhere. You do the math. Ottawa council, by the way, declared a climate emergency in 2019.

And now for a Station break.

It’s becoming clear there are basic problems with the design of some of the LRT stations. Tunney’s has had scaffolding and plywood added to protect passengers from the winter elements, like some hermit shack. Hurdman’s sidewalks were too small. To combat icy slippage, mats are being tossed about at Lyon, Parliament and Rideau, and anti-skid coatings are being applied elsewhere. Like winter was a giant surprise.

Overcrowding on platforms, which appear to be too small? “I actually, on a daily basis, fear for my safety,” said commissioner Sarah Wright-Gilbert, a regular user of the east-end Blair station, where bus shelter removal is being contemplated to make space for humans.

Concluded commissioner Anthony Carricato: “The stations are not designed with people in mind.”

The commission was told, in a related vein, that some 500 hanger-straps are on the way to help short (?) passengers stay steady on the train. This will outfit about half the fleet.

Uh-oh, they’re getting organized.

A new group called Ottawa Transit Riders is turning into “a thing”, as the cool kids like to say. Only formed earlier this year, it has seven board members and they’re wide-awake and watching. They know their stuff, especially at street level.

And they’re dedicated. Board member Sam Boswell, a federal public servant, took a day off work to attend, calling out the city for working “in silos” and not properly engaging riders and the community in important route changes. Form a permanent, consultative working group, she urged.

Fellow director Stuart MacKay went further, saying the city and OC Transpo have historically demonstrated a paternalistic attitude toward the travelling public. He sees the frustration first-hand.

“Many are giving up on public transit and that is disconcerting.”

These people are not going away.

RTM is not the KGB.

More like the Kremlin. Not much is publicly known about Rideau Transit Maintenance, the consortium looking after the trains and rails, and pretty much everything in between, for the next 30 years.

Coun. Catherine McKenney wondered why the train warranty documents she requested were redacted, arriving blank. A protected, commercial secret, she was told, but she can view them in the city solicitor’s office. And take the knowledge to the grave, we presume.

OC Transpo general manager John Manconi made the surprising admission that he has final authority over the naming of RTM’s chief executive, who in this case is Peter Lauch, the former technical director of Rideau Transit Group and once its CEO.

“I have final authority as to whether Mr. Lauch can stay in that position or not.”

Manconi said RTM seems to be doing a better job and getting the city’s stern message. The famous frozen water fountain, he reports, was fixed within an hour with one quick phone call.

No way to run a railroad.

The City of Ottawa runs a lousy meeting. The transit commission gathering began at 9:30 a.m. and, as I type at 6 p.m., it isn’t nearly over. Fatigue is setting in, if not widespread famine. Importantly, how is anyone sharp enough to still be paying attention to the 2020 budget, the main agenda item?

Last Friday, a meeting about short-term rentals in the city began in the morning and was still going after supper.

Dear city hall: When we say democracy is a marathon, not a sprint, that’s just a figure of speech.

To contact Kelly Egan, please call 613-726-5896 or email [email protected]
Twitter.com/kellyegancolumn

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...ains-and-other-take-aways-from-city-hall
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 1:09 PM
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The bus fleet was reduced by less than 20%. Cancellations were reduced by greater than 50%.

I think that Ottawa is suffering from a severe case of Chicken Little Syndrome.
Maybe OC Transpo knew what they were doing when they retired the 20% of their oldest or most unreliable buses 🤔
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 2:38 PM
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The bus fleet was reduced by less than 20%. Cancellations were reduced by greater than 50%.

I think that Ottawa is suffering from a severe case of Chicken Little Syndrome.
A reduction by 50%, while defiantly an improvement, doesn't mean all of the problems have been fixed. Just because we went from horrendous to bad service, doesn't mean that we should celibate a major victory. We were promised that the Confederation Line would solve the problems, not cut them in half.

EDIT: Looking at the originally referenced chart, 1258 trips were impacted in September and 633 were impacted in October, so we went from an average of 41 per day down to 20 per day (though it will likely be higher on weekdays and lower on weekends).

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A reduction by 50%, while defiantly an improvement, doesn't mean all of the problems have been fixed. Just because we went from horrendous to bad service, doesn't mean that we should celibate a major victory. We were promised that the Confederation Line would solve the problems, not cut them in half.

EDIT: Looking at the originally referenced chart, 1258 trips were impacted in September and 633 were impacted in October, so we went from an average of 41 per day down to 20 per day (though it will likely be higher on weekdays and lower on weekends).
Also, though, that site scrapes and collates data re cancellations *which are posted to OC Transpo's live update site*.

That assumes that all cancellations get posted. I'm not sure that's a safe assumption.
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A reduction by 50%, while defiantly an improvement, doesn't mean all of the problems have been fixed. Just because we went from horrendous to bad service, doesn't mean that we should celibate a major victory. We were promised that the Confederation Line would solve the problems, not cut them in half.

EDIT: Looking at the originally referenced chart, 1258 trips were impacted in September and 633 were impacted in October, so we went from an average of 41 per day down to 20 per day (though it will likely be higher on weekdays and lower on weekends).
What this doesn't say is that we have reduced the number of bus trips significantly in October. We also retired old buses that are more prone to failure and were being kept in service longer because of the delays in opening the C-Line. Also, we had a shortage of drivers dependent on much overtime. That also contributed to cancellations if not enough drivers were prepared to work overtime on any particular day. So, we would hope for improvements in the cancellation front however, service reductions and train failures have made the problem more pronounced even if the absolute number of trip cancellations is way down. Each cancellation is felt by the user if the next bus trip is not for 30 minutes.

Have we ever cancelled the last trip on any route? That would be disastrous for the user.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2019, 6:27 PM
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Have we ever cancelled the last trip on any route? That would be disastrous for the user.
Not sure if it was officially cancelled (or just very late), but a couple weeks ago, one of my daughter's friends was coming to visit her and the last 262 didn't show up from Tunney's Pasture. She ended up taking the 62 instead and we had to pick her up from the GRC.
     
     
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