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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 12:45 AM
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Found this webcam on ASU website. You can see almost all of Novus in one frame. Pretty sweet view.

http://webcampub.multivista.com/index.cf...4F6BB4-A9E6-44E2-967D-5E8294487673&HLS=1
Great find!!
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 2:43 PM
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Cul de Sac Tempe

The good news is that a new apartment building is being constructed without a big investment in parking. The bad news is the exoticization and hyperbole with which it's being described. This should be a common and unsurprising development along the light rail corridor:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc...nt-offer-residential-parking/4191470002/

Edit: Apparently, it's been picked up by the Wall Street Journal as well. I can't read the whole article because I'm not a subscriber, but here's a link just in case any of you are:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-arizona-development-bans-residents-from-bringing-cars-11574164801

As much as I think this is a positive development, it's ridiculous to characterize this as a first for the nation or a total ban on residents owning cars. There are countless buildings in major cities that don't provide parking for their residents. Many residents rely on transit and taxis, and those who do own cars arrange to store them off-site. This may be a first for Tempe, but it's hardly a big deal on a national level.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 2:54 PM
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Nice, that's the New Eastline Village that we talked about. I am curious to see the first phase submitted to the DRC, I just checked this morning and they don't have the link up to their next meeting yet.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 3:31 PM
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Wall street journo article about a project I've never heard of in Tempe.

Also, per usual, the article is full of misconceptions about this city, its climate etc etc.; The ignorance of the comments is almost astounding. Did you know its 112 all year hear and that itll be impossible for people in this development to get food and water without dying in the heat?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-arizona...nging-cars-11574164801?mod=hp_lead_pos10

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A $140 million Arizona development is banning residents from bringing their own cars on site in favor of scooters, bikes and ride-sharing, testing demand for a new type of walkable neighborhood.

The 1,000-person rental community, which broke ground this month in Tempe, won’t allow residents to park cars on-site or in the surrounding area as a term of their lease. The founders say it will be the first of its kind in the U.S.

The scale will be modest, with mostly three-story buildings. In place of parking spaces, the development known as Culdesac Tempe will feature significantly more retail and open spaces than a typical one of its size. It will include a market hall for food vendors, coffee shop, plazas, communal fire pits and a building that residents can rent to host events.

The site is next to a light rail that connects residents to a grocery store, Arizona State University, downtown Phoenix and the airport. There will also be designated spots for ride-sharing and an on-site car-sharing service for residents traveling to other neighborhoods.

Changing tastes and new technologies have fueled demand in recent years for neighborhoods downtown or in inner-ring suburbs where residents can walk to amenities. Concerns about the environmental and health impact of automobiles and worsening congestion have taken the sheen off driving for more people. Millennials in particular are choosing travel and other experiences over the costs of car ownership.

“Transportation has changed a lot over the last decade and real estate hasn’t kept up,” said Ryan Johnson, co-founder and chief executive of the new developer, Culdesac. “Now there’s the chance for us to build the first post-car development.”

The Phoenix area might seem an unlikely spot for such an experiment, but Tempe is something of an outlier among its neighbors. The 190-000-person college town has a median age of less than 30 years old, and younger people are less interested in driving than they were in the past. Only about a quarter of 16-year-olds had a driver’s license in 2017, down from half in 1983, according to an analysis of licensing data by transportation researcher Michael Sivak.

San Francisco-based Culdesac hopes to use the Tempe project as a model for bigger ventures around the country in talks with cities like Denver and Dallas. The company was started by Mr. Johnson, a founding member of Opendoor, a marketplace for buying and selling homes, and Jeff Berens, a fifth-generation Arizonan and former McKinsey & Co. consultant.

The developer has raised $10 million of venture-capital funding and plans to raise additional funds from real-estate investors for each project. The developers have raised $140 million of debt and equity from traditional real-estate investors for the Tempe project.

Far from everyone is convinced there are enough people in Tempe ready to toss their car keys. Most trips to restaurants, fitness centers and grocery stores require taking a freeway. Temperatures in the summer often climb north of 100 degrees Fahrenheit, which could make excessive walking or biking a strain.

“Quirky is probably the right word,” said Robert Dietz, chief economist at the National Association of Home Builders. “People are more adaptable in terms of taking Uber and public transport, but a lot of households still want one car.”

One of the biggest obstacles developers face is local parking requirements. Most municipalities require at least one parking spot per unit to ensure that new developments don’t contribute to gridlocks and parking shortages.

Culdesac, along with its local partner Sunbelt Holdings, negotiated with the city of Tempe to waive parking requirements for this 16-acre site, an unusual concession made easier by the development’s location.


Pedestrian-friendly neighborhoods may be gaining some momentum. A 2019 survey by the National Association of Home Builders showed that 60% of home buyers want to live in a walkable neighborhood—one of the top five desired qualities.

Townhouses, which tend to be in more dense, walkable neighborhoods, represented about 13% of new-home construction in the second quarter, up from about 10% five years ago, according to an analysis of U.S. Census data by the association.

Mark Mitchell, Tempe’s mayor, said the population of the city’s urban core is poised to double to 90,000 from 45,000 by 2040 and congestion is a major concern. “We’re trying to get individuals out of the car as much as possible,” he said.

Daniel Parolek, the founding principal of Opticos Design, the project’s architect, said he designed the project with plenty of shaded spots to combat the desert heat, inspired by a Greek or French village.

“They’re meandering, informal, there’s a sense of discovery,“ he said. ”They’re shaded. You’re not miserable.”

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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 4:22 PM
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The good news is that a new apartment building is being constructed without a big investment in parking. The bad news is the exoticization and hyperbole with which it's being described. This should be a common and unsurprising development along the light rail corridor:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc...nt-offer-residential-parking/4191470002/

Edit: Apparently, it's been picked up by the Wall Street Journal as well. I can't read the whole article because I'm not a subscriber, but here's a link just in case any of you are:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-arizona-development-bans-residents-from-bringing-cars-11574164801

As much as I think this is a positive development, it's ridiculous to characterize this as a first for the nation or a total ban on residents owning cars. There are countless buildings in major cities that don't provide parking for their residents. Many residents rely on transit and taxis, and those who do own cars arrange to store them off-site. This may be a first for Tempe, but it's hardly a big deal on a national level.

Such an interesting project! Hopefully, it will be a success because if it fails, there really isn't much they can do to add parking.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 4:26 PM
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Such an interesting project! Hopefully, it will be a success because if it fails, there really isn't much they can do to add parking.
I dont see how it would fail its a glorified apartment complex with the facade of being a "walkable neighborhood.

Plenty of people in Tempe live in this area without cars already. I did it for years and that was before light rail
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 4:40 PM
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I dont see how it would fail its a glorified apartment complex with the facade of being a "walkable neighborhood.

Plenty of people in Tempe live in this area without cars already. I did it for years and that was before light rail
The WSJ really failed to mention that site is served by the light rail (with soon connection to the streetcar) as well as buses.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 4:42 PM
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The good news is that a new apartment building is being constructed without a big investment in parking. The bad news is the exoticization and hyperbole with which it's being described. This should be a common and unsurprising development along the light rail corridor:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc...nt-offer-residential-parking/4191470002/

Edit: Apparently, it's been picked up by the Wall Street Journal as well. I can't read the whole article because I'm not a subscriber, but here's a link just in case any of you are:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-arizona-development-bans-residents-from-bringing-cars-11574164801

As much as I think this is a positive development, it's ridiculous to characterize this as a first for the nation or a total ban on residents owning cars. There are countless buildings in major cities that don't provide parking for their residents. Many residents rely on transit and taxis, and those who do own cars arrange to store them off-site. This may be a first for Tempe, but it's hardly a big deal on a national level.
Not too mention, hotels are sprouting up in Downtown Phoenix that have no added parking (i.e. Hampton and Cambria). Not the same as residential, but same transportation concept. Ride-share, walk, bike or mass transit to your destination instead of driving.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 5:01 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone was ever able to confirm that the FAA permit I posted a few weeks ago for "X Tempe" was actually for an X communities development or not. But I have confirmed Tempe will be getting an X. The submission was by Fabian Fondriest who is listed as a development associate for X Communities. Can't wait to see what they have proposed for Tempe!
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 5:16 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone was ever able to confirm that the FAA permit I posted a few weeks ago for "X Tempe" was actually for an X communities development or not. But I have confirmed Tempe will be getting an X. The submission was by Fabian Fondriest who is listed as a development associate for X Communities. Can't wait to see what they have proposed for Tempe!
Nice work. Do we have a location? Was it the former Skyview project as someone had mentioned?
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 5:26 PM
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Nice work. Do we have a location? Was it the former Skyview project as someone had mentioned?
Yes, the latitude/longitude listed on the obstruction evaluation RonnieFoos found puts it at the Skyview site.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 5:59 PM
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that is incredibly exciting. X Communities is driven by new, out of the box amenities. I can only imagine the kind of amenities planned, being within a college town. One thing I hope they revise, is bringing the pool to the rooftop of the 24 story rather than on top of the 7 story parking garage in the original design. That would offer some great unobstructed views in all directions.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 6:04 PM
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Yes, the latitude/longitude listed on the obstruction evaluation RonnieFoos found puts it at the Skyview site.
The good news is that these X developers are serious. It wasn't long after the Phoenix project was announced did they start construction. I hope it's the same with Tempe, that site has been cursed. I assume the fastest way would be to build the project with the same approved plans as Skyview but with a modification for the rebranding unless they are planning to go thru the planning process with a complete redesign...then that might take a little more time?
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2019, 9:29 PM
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The good news is that a new apartment building is being constructed without a big investment in parking. The bad news is the exoticization and hyperbole with which it's being described. This should be a common and unsurprising development along the light rail corridor:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc...nt-offer-residential-parking/4191470002/

Edit: Apparently, it's been picked up by the Wall Street Journal as well. I can't read the whole article because I'm not a subscriber, but here's a link just in case any of you are:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-arizona-development-bans-residents-from-bringing-cars-11574164801

As much as I think this is a positive development, it's ridiculous to characterize this as a first for the nation or a total ban on residents owning cars. There are countless buildings in major cities that don't provide parking for their residents. Many residents rely on transit and taxis, and those who do own cars arrange to store them off-site. This may be a first for Tempe, but it's hardly a big deal on a national level.
Yeah, the hype machine on both sides of this is a little over the top. Culdesac describing it as "the first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the U.S." is pretty silly, and the Wallstreet Journal's headline of "New Arizona Development Bans Residents From Bringing Cars" is pretty silly.

That said, there's a part of me that kind of loves that Culdesac is going all-in on marketing this as a car-free development. I am somewhat sympathetic to the CityLab/War on Cars set, and I'm really hopeful that Tempe will show the strength of their convictions and support an attempt to lessen car dependency, and that this will work.

Also, the AZ Central article says they already broke ground, and has a picture of a groundbreaking. Is that true? I didn't think they'd even had a development review yet...?
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ASU President Michael Crow on the ASU-Omni Hotel deal:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/...tel-deal-no-dishonest-scheme/4202984002/
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Yeah, the hype machine on both sides of this is a little over the top. Culdesac describing it as "the first car-free neighborhood built from scratch in the U.S." is pretty silly, and the Wallstreet Journal's headline of "New Arizona Development Bans Residents From Bringing Cars" is pretty silly.
I don't know if any of these are by-definition inaccurate. I suppose in the first they could have had an asterisk for them doing this since the advent of the automobile. Even the streetcar suburbs often had parking, at least in Phoenix, and before the advent of the automobile horses, an even more cumbersome method of personal transportation, were very much a factor of city life. The second headline is true--residents cannot park their cars there.


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That said, there's a part of me that kind of loves that Culdesac is going all-in on marketing this as a car-free development. I am somewhat sympathetic to the CityLab/War on Cars set, and I'm really hopeful that Tempe will show the strength of their convictions and support an attempt to lessen car dependency, and that this will work.
The fact is they're building this in Tempe where students are less likely to own cars to begin with so they have a built-in market.

But I have to wonder about whether people that are car-less by choice or otherwise (count me in both with a disability that I have found to be ironically liberating) want to be around students. I have made a mistake leasing my current apartment sorta near SJSU having recently got royally pissed off at the likely students having a loud party at 1 AM on a Thursday night. I have loathed living near SFSU in the past for similar reasons.

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Also, the AZ Central article says they already broke ground, and has a picture of a groundbreaking. Is that true? I didn't think they'd even had a development review yet...?
In an odd twist of events, and ninja-editing my previous comment, they have broken ground without full approval. Seems sketchy but in line with the hype.
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I don't know if any of these are by-definition inaccurate. I suppose in the first they could have had an asterisk for them doing this since the advent of the automobile. Even the streetcar suburbs often had parking, at least in Phoenix, and before the advent of the automobile horses, an even more cumbersome method of personal transportation, were very much a factor of city life. The second headline is true--residents cannot park their cars there.




The fact is they're building this in Tempe where students are less likely to own cars to begin with so they have a built-in market.

But I have to wonder about whether people that are car-less by choice or otherwise (count me in both with a disability that I have found to be ironically liberating) want to be around students. I have made a mistake leasing my current apartment sorta near SJSU having recently got royally pissed off at the likely students having a loud party at 1 AM on a Thursday night. I have loathed living near SFSU in the past for similar reasons.



In an odd twist of events, and ninja-editing my previous comment, they have broken ground without full approval. Seems sketchy but in line with the hype.
The "ground breaking" is just them clearing/ cleaning the site up and prepping it for development. They just had their first case at the DRC for the overall revisions to the site plan that the City Council will need to approve if they haven't met already. Then the developer was going to submit site plans for each particular phase, each time they are ready to go vertical. I think there were up to 5-7 phases? It seems that on the development tracker the first phase is already going thru entitlements.
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I haven't really followed this development too much, so I don't have really much to say on it. But I will say that Lauri Roberts has written a lot of misinformed articles pertaining to Phoenix development in the past and derogatory articles against the Suns many times including the arena rehab. I can care less for her articles and Crow seems to hammer the point that she publishes much misinformation. AZ Central really should let her go IMHO.
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Some surprisingly get-off-my-lawn sentiment from a student newspaper:

https://www.statepress.com/article/2019/...ill-avenue-hurts-buisnesses-and-students
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Some surprisingly get-off-my-lawn sentiment from a student newspaper:

https://www.statepress.com/article/2019/...ill-avenue-hurts-buisnesses-and-students
Time for these crybabies to shit or get off the pot. I'm pretty sure it was their choices to live in a growing metro of almost 5 million and/or attend the largest university in the country.
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