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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 3:15 AM
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I'm not sure why "interesting". The answer is "nothing".
Trump is working on dividing the US along political and regional lines.

First, I think it is highly unlikely that Western Canada would split away from Canada. BC becoming Cascadia and Alberta and Sasktachewan doing whatever this wexit group is proposing. However it is no more unlikely that Washington and Oregon doing the same on the US side.
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Not sure why some people are too proud to admit that Alberta is disproportionately subsidizing Quebec through equalization... that's like saying "taxpayers don't pay for my welfare cheque, the government does!"

One can say that Alberta's resources are Canada's (what about that of other provinces?), or that it's shouldn't be exploited at such environmental cost (which they bear the brunt of), or French Canada is a cultural asset deserving of artificial life support like with the Indigenous peoples, etc. I'm against pipelines, but credit where it's due.
Because they've entrenched themselves so deep into their opinion that to renege now would make them look like almost as much of an idiot as they already look. It's basically what's happened to all Trump supporters as well, and it's happening more and more due to social media echo chambers.
I like how even the most conservative provinces in Canada hate Trump. I guess given "America first", one actually has to be a little racist to support him given everything we know now.
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I like how even the most conservative provinces in Canada hate Trump. I guess given "America first", one actually has to be a little racist to support him given everything we know now.
That is because the political divide is much different between Canada and the USA. Obama would be too right wing for most Canadians.
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That is because the political divide is much different between Canada and the USA. Obama would be too right wing for most Canadians.
I imagine Obama is more left wing than his politics suggests. He is a practical man. He realizes most Americans (especially in the south) equate socialism with communism, thus he had to temper his agenda to suit this conservative mindset. This is why Elizabeth Warren would be a bad choice for the Democrats in the upcoming American Presidential election. Trump could easily target her as a dangerous socialist who would steal your children.

If Obama were a Canadian, he would have fit in quite comfortably with the Liberal party I imagine.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 6:56 PM
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Supporting Alberta and Saskatchewan through the coming recession would go a long way towards mending relations. While not 100% responsible, Canada has played a major role in turning Alberta from a "have" to a "have-not" province and thus bears some responsibility for its decisions. Things are going bad and its not Notley or Kenney who is at fault.

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Alberta is facing a full-blown economic crisis and it needs support, not condescension
Martin Pelletier: Alberta’s billions in transfer payments have helped other provinces hurt by economic troubles, so where's the compassion for the province now?

Western Canada is currently facing uncertain times not witnessed since the Petro-Canada Centre, better known as Red Square, was built to house the then Crown Corporation in downtown Calgary in 1983. And with no resolution in sight for the five-year-long rout in oil and natural gas prices, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

While Encana’s decision to move its headquarters to Denver made headlines, the reality is that business are leaving the province in droves. One local realtor, Robert Graham at Arrowstar, told Global News recently that Arrowstar alone has helped 100 Western Canadian companies relocate to the Houston area, 40 of those in the past year and a half.

Others are shutting up shop completely, or closing locations in the province: Chili’s shut all but three of its Alberta locations in 2017; Red Robin has plans to pull out of Alberta by year-end; and Starbucks has announced numerous closures in both Edmonton and Calgary. That on top of the multitude of mom-and-pop businesses that are simply going bust.

In total, we calculate that business insolvencies in Alberta have skyrocketed by more than 70 per cent from their 2015 lows, as compared to a 13.5 per cent decrease on average for the country as whole over the same period. Here in Calgary the mood is outright abysmal, with 89 per cent of businesses saying the current economic situation has deteriorated since last summer, according to city’s annual citizen satisfaction survey.

Adding it all up, at the end of 2018, Alberta’s real GDP was one per cent below where it was in 2014 and six per cent lower on a per capita basis, according to ATB Financial. And it isn’t looking much better with what could be negative real GDP growth in 2019, according to the Conference Board of Canada. In fact, a recent Conference Board study showed that Edmonton and Calgary will post the weakest economic performance among 13 major Canadian cities this year.

The result has been job losses — and a lot of them — sending unemployment rates in Calgary and Edmonton north of seven per cent, well above the Canadian average of 5.5 per cent. However, this really doesn’t tell you just how dire it is for many Albertans as we calculate that personal insolvencies are up nearly 28 per cent from their 2014 lows as compared to a 15 per cent decrease in Canada over the same period.

While some economists are still citing our historically above-average “per-capita income” levels, consider this: one in four people using food banks in Alberta is employed or was recently employed — the highest level in the country.

All of this may sound like preaching to those not affected but the fact of the matter is Alberta is facing a full-on crisis, and there is a real need for support and assistance, rather than condescension.

A great place to start is with pipelines, and I mean more than just the Trans Mountain. Federal government policies are going to have to shift from being anti-resource development to ones that indicate the province is open for business, not only to attract foreign capital but also to stop the current exodus.

Adjusting equalization so that struggling provinces such as Alberta and Saskatchewan can use more of their federal tax dollars for large infrastructure projects that are currently on hold would also send a very strong message.

Regular Albertans also need to do everything they can to make sure they have the financial wherewithal to weather the storm. That means ensuring that savings and RSPs are topped up (if you’re still fortunate enough to have money to put away), diversifying your holdings and avoiding illiquid private investments. Also, make sure you have a personal financial plan, mapping out contingencies in the event of potential economic impacts.

We didn’t invent hardship but Alberta is a province built on sweat, tears and hard work. Our founders each took a small piece of land leased from the railroad, including my grandfather who came here in 1905 from Montreal, and together turned the province into what was more recently one of the economic engines of Canada.

This meant we were able to be huge financial contributors to confederation to the tune of $611 billion in transfer payments from 1967 to 2017, and lend a helping hand offering tens of thousands of jobs to those impacted by economic troubles in their own respective provinces.

Asking for bit of compassion during tough times shouldn’t be considered a slap in the face but rather something most Canadians can understand.
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I imagine Obama is more left wing than his politics suggests. He is a practical man. He realizes most Americans (especially in the south) equate socialism with communism, thus he had to temper his agenda to suit this conservative mindset. This is why Elizabeth Warren would be a bad choice for the Democrats in the upcoming American Presidential election. Trump could easily target her as a dangerous socialist who would steal your children.

If Obama were a Canadian, he would have fit in quite comfortably with the Liberal party I imagine.
Likewise, I don't think that Stephen Harper "deserves" (sic) to be labelled a liberal or social democrat or a progressive simply because he didn't scrap universal healthcare when he was PM.

When you become leader you inherit everything that was done by your predecessors, and are somewhat limited by them in the fundamental changes you can make.

Does anyone really think that if Canada lacked universal healthcare in 2006, the Stephen Harper would have been the man to give it to us?
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The most successful politicians are frequently the pragmatic ones. If you are too much of an ideologue, you just upset people and become divisive.

Donald Trump and Boris Johnson are most definitely not truly successful politicians. Trudeau is a touch too ideological the other way. He could stand to be a little more accommodating to non progressive views. If he were, the west might not be so alienated.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2019, 7:32 PM
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The most successful politicians are frequently the pragmatic ones. If you are too much of an ideologue, you just upset people and become divisive.

Donald Trump and Boris Johnson are most definitely not truly successful politicians. Trudeau is a touch too ideological the other way. He could stand to be a little more accommodating to non progressive views. If he were, the west might not be so alienated.
Alot of truth to this. Also they always look great but do differently in private. Obama was a master at looking good while there was a lot to criticize going on in the background from the CIA among others. Trudeau is also pretty good at this. However, Trudeau's taken the young hip thing too far and its driven a wedge between peoples in this nation. Obama may have actually been better as Obama was good at not dividing people.
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Trump is working on dividing the US along political and regional lines.
In what way is he dividing people other than what CNN and the YT tells you? Even moderate liberals (Obama for one) are beginning to see how far left leaning political groups are pushing divisiveness.
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In what way is he dividing people other than what CNN and the YT tells you? Even moderate liberals (Obama for one) are beginning to see how far left leaning political groups are pushing divisiveness.
Jesus, read his twitter feed. He's shit on everyone, from his own party, to his opponents, world leaders, anyone and everyone in the media, and he just plain lies ALL. THE. TIME.
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Jesus, read his twitter feed. He's shit on everyone, from his own party, to his opponents, world leaders, anyone and everyone in the media, and he just plain lies ALL. THE. TIME.
And yet somehow he seems to be gaining popularity while his opponents have become a disorderly mob! Its crazy I agree.
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And yet somehow he seems to be gaining popularity while his opponents have become a disorderly mob! Its crazy I agree.
Fake news is powerful. But I don't think he's gaining popularity. Every time Americans have gone to the polls since 2016, he's lost support.
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albertan's need to stop begging for oil and gas jobs to come back and start asking for job training and transition. a huge obstacle is that most people still expect to get a job making $80,000/yr without doing new training.
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It is very hard to listen to people in Alberta complaining about how poor they are. Come to Winnipeg and I will show you what a poor neighbourhood looks like. Our best times don't come close you their worst. I was just in Edmonton and there is a 60 storey tower going up on every corner. I know its not PC to say this, but if we are to have compassion for Alberta, maybe Albertan's could stop pretending they are only ones with challenges.
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It is very hard to listen to people in Alberta complaining about how poor they are. Come to Winnipeg and I will show you what a poor neighbourhood looks like. Our best times don't come close you their worst. I was just in Edmonton and there is a 60 storey tower going up on every corner. I know its not PC to say this, but if we are to have compassion for Alberta, maybe Albertan's could stop pretending they are only ones with challenges.
Haven’t heard them complain about being poor, mostly just complaints that the whole country is working to shutdown their industries.
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And yet somehow he seems to be gaining popularity while his opponents have become a disorderly mob! Its crazy I agree.
Please look at this and tell me how Trump is gaining popularity. He's been in the 40-42% approval band for nearly two years straight.
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Haven’t heard them complain about being poor, mostly just complaints that the whole country is working to shutdown their industries.

that's also stupid....but I read looooots of stories about the hardships....go on twitter for ten minutes.
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Haven’t heard them complain about being poor, mostly just complaints that the whole country is working to shutdown their industries.
That's complete bullshit.
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That's complete bullshit.
Alberta’s economy is more than oil there are a lot of businesses leaving or shutting down and this is hard data not opinion. Despite the cuts on corporate taxes businesses are leaving, likely because tax cuts don’t matter when your not even making a profit.

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While Encana’s decision to move its headquarters to Denver made headlines, the reality is that business are leaving the province in droves. One local realtor, Robert Graham at Arrowstar, told Global News recently that Arrowstar alone has helped 100 Western Canadian companies relocate to the Houston area, 40 of those in the past year and a half.

Others are shutting up shop completely, or closing locations in the province: Chili’s shut all but three of its Alberta locations in 2017; Red Robin has plans to pull out of Alberta by year-end; and Starbucks has announced numerous closures in both Edmonton and Calgary. That on top of the multitude of mom-and-pop businesses that are simply going bust.

In total, we calculate that business insolvencies in Alberta have skyrocketed by more than 70 per cent from their 2015 lows, as compared to a 13.5 per cent decrease on average for the country as whole over the same period. Here in Calgary the mood is outright abysmal, with 89 per cent of businesses saying the current economic situation has deteriorated since last summer, according to city’s annual citizen satisfaction survey.

Adding it all up, at the end of 2018, Alberta’s real GDP was one per cent below where it was in 2014 and six per cent lower on a per capita basis, according to ATB Financial. And it isn’t looking much better with what could be negative real GDP growth in 2019, according to the Conference Board of Canada. In fact, a recent Conference Board study showed that Edmonton and Calgary will post the weakest economic performance among 13 major Canadian cities this year.

The result has been job losses — and a lot of them — sending unemployment rates in Calgary and Edmonton north of seven per cent, well above the Canadian average of 5.5 per cent. However, this really doesn’t tell you just how dire it is for many Albertans as we calculate that personal insolvencies are up nearly 28 per cent from their 2014 lows as compared to a 15 per cent decrease in Canada over the same period.
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Im guessing if oil was still $100 a barrel these businesses wouldnt be closing.
Back when there were just as many pipelines as today Alberta was killin' it.
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