Seymour & Davie (VAHA site) - Page 3

ranvancan · #41 Posted **Feb 25, 2019, 4:02 AM**

Robson, is fast becoming the new Downtown Eastside. Just needs a name change to match. DTWE. The homeless are fast moving in and I KNOW, I walk that street every day to and from work from Robson to Pacific BLVD. Hopefully, in my opinion, if that is going to happen, then maybe when they are all there living, stealing, drugging, fighting, and defecating on Robson, we can claim Hasting back and fix up ALL those Heritage buildings they occupy and piss on. That area would be great when they (Vancouver's finest) are down on Robson and Denman. Hastings would be much nicer than Robson.

fredinno · #42 Posted **Feb 25, 2019, 8:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by ranvancan

Robson, is fast becoming the new Downtown Eastside. Just needs a name change to match. DTWE. The homeless are fast moving in and I KNOW, I walk that street every day to and from work from Robson/Chilco to Parq Vancouver. Hopefully, in my opinion, if that is going to happen, then maybe when they are all there living, stealing, drugging, fighting, and defecating on Robson, we can claim Hasting back and fix up ALL those Heritage buildings they occupy and piss on. That area would be great when they (Vancouver's finest) are down on Robson and Denman. Hastings would be much nicer than Robson.

Ok, that's a bit extreme. There's homeless in most of Downtown.

Vin · #43 Posted **Feb 25, 2019, 6:19 PM**

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While it's not on topic, since you pursued it, the West End Plan was approved in November 2013. Since then developers have identified and acquired sites for 37 towers and over 5,400 dwellings - a third of them rental. That seems more than good enough to me - in fact it seems quite extraordinary.

I'm surprised that you think enough rezoning changes had been made there. Fact is, there are only 3 new buildings completed since 2013. More density allowance should be made away from the commercial streets of Davie, Denman and Robson. In fact, new commercial mixed-use streets should be designated for some of the current residential streets in the West End.

The 37 towers that are coming up are almost all bordering the downtown area, so it still wouldn't help increase the density of most parts of the West End, and hence the justification of a mass transit system to be built there.

Vin · #44 Posted **Feb 25, 2019, 6:25 PM**

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Ok, that's a bit extreme. There's homeless in most of Downtown.

Granville street has already become one homeless and seedy hood, so I won't be surprised that Robson street will eventually turn into one in the next decade or so. It all depends on how much will-power the City has to rapidly allow better growth of the area of West End. New bylaws should be passed to disallow camping overnight in front of businesses.

Coming back to topic, the Townline project at Davie and Seymour is thankfully focused on families. That actually makes me feel a lot better, but I would still prefer the lot to have a commercial building, or even a new hotel for the area.

SeymourDrake · #45 Posted **Feb 25, 2019, 9:59 PM**

18 Grand a month for a dump? I wonder what the owners charge for rent above that place? Must be enough to carry the building, or wait for the right offer to build...what i don't know.

fredinno · #46 Posted **Feb 28, 2019, 9:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Granville street has already become one homeless and seedy hood, so I won't be surprised that Robson street will eventually turn into one in the next decade or so. It all depends on how much will-power the City has to rapidly allow better growth of the area of West End. New bylaws should be passed to disallow camping overnight in front of businesses.

Coming back to topic, the Townline project at Davie and Seymour is thankfully focused on families. That actually makes me feel a lot better, but I would still prefer the lot to have a commercial building, or even a new hotel for the area.

Well, TBF, I'm not sure how redevelopment is going to stop homeless from moving in. The redevelopment in Surrey Central wasn't what kicked the homeless out of Whalley- though it certainly helped prevent them from dominating the area.

A lot of businesses are apparently holding back redevelopment of their properties due to the 3-story limit though, so arguably it's helping cause a decline in its retail district by limiting flagship store sizes.

SeymourDrake · #47 Posted **Jun 15, 2019, 7:30 PM**

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The rent on that restaurant space is $18,000 per month.

http://www.williamwright.ca/612-davi...vancouver.html

I saw cleaners and a construction crew in that space about a week ago.

SeymourDrake · #48 Posted **Jun 15, 2019, 7:34 PM**

Looks like there is no new building going up at 1210 Seymour St and 560 Davie St for a while as i've seen construction workers carrying in large pieces of sheet rock.

They must be planning on renting out the space for short term

osirisboy · #49 Posted **Jun 16, 2019, 2:01 AM**

Why did people think that there wasn't going to be something happening here soon?

SeymourDrake · #50 Posted **Jun 16, 2019, 2:40 AM**

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Why did people think that there wasn't going to be something happening here soon?

because construction was suppose to start last fall when most of the tenants moved out, But now it seems tenants are moving back in.

So something has happened since the announcement that has delayed construction.

whatnext · #51 Posted **Jun 16, 2019, 7:33 AM**

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because construction was suppose to start last fall when most of the tenants moved out, But now it seems tenants are moving back in.

So something has happened since the announcement that has delayed construction.

Towline delayed the start of their Coquitlam project, maybe they're doing the same thing here.

That's the thing if you need X amount of pre-sales to get construction going. When you think about it, it's odd all the developers are privately held companies when so much capital is required. Why are none of them public companies?

Changing City · #52 Posted **Jun 16, 2019, 3:53 PM**

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Towline delayed the start of their Coquitlam project, maybe they're doing the same thing here.

That's the thing if you need X amount of pre-sales to get construction going. When you think about it, it's odd all the developers are privately held companies when so much capital is required. Why are none of them public companies?

If you read back whatnext, you'll see that the thread title is misleading, because Townline don't own the site, the City of Vancouver's Housing Agency, VAHA, now own it. As far as I know Townline never submitted any proposal for the site. (Is there any way the Mods can change the thead title?)

VAHA haven't submitted a proposal yet, so I don't know why SeymourDrake thinks there was going to be any change yet. Unless the City has the intention of dropping the guidelines on shadowing the park (which has impacted West End and Coal Harbour market projects), it'll be a midrise building when it does get submitted. Earlier indications were that they were planning 146 units here.

Once submitted it'll still have to go to Urban Design Panel, and then the DP Board (if it's not a rezoning). If it's a rezoning it'll have to go to City Council first, which will probably add a year at least to the process. Just because it's a City project doesn't mean it won't get the full scrutiny, and potentially get changed. 58 West Hastings - a City non-market building - was redesigned after UDP comments.

VAHA seem to be getting their Downtown projects going very slowly. They may be having problems getting a builder willing to construct their proposals for the fixed budget available. There are still more units being built across the region than at any previous period - and there's more office space under construction Downtown than ever before, so there's still a squeeze on construction capacity. That's why so many projects seem to be taking longer to build. Housing starts this year are actually higher than the first five months of 2018, so it's not slowing down (yet).

red-paladin · #53 Posted **Jun 16, 2019, 4:13 PM**

Title updated

Changing City · #54 Posted **Jun 16, 2019, 4:24 PM**

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Title updated

Thanks!

Walbran · #55 Posted **Aug 22, 2019, 8:58 PM**

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I believe this site was linked to the 1335 Howe Street development

So did the developer of 1335 Howe give this site to the City for free?

SeymourDrake · #56 Posted **Nov 16, 2019, 9:50 PM**

So still no movement on this building, it looks like a new commercial tenant has moved in to the old taco place. I believe the building is half full now, maybe more. Including the shady garage with no windows in it.

I don't even know who owns this now, last i heard it was the city, then there was some kind of swap with a developer or sale.

Changing City · #57 Posted **Nov 17, 2019, 12:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

So still no movement on this building, it looks like a new commercial tenant has moved in to the old taco place. I believe the building is half full now, maybe more. Including the shady garage with no windows in it.

I don't even know who owns this now, last i heard it was the city, then there was some kind of swap with a developer or sale.

There's no way of telling if it's up to date, but VanMap still shows it as a city-owned property. I understand there might be some internal debate, as VAHA would like to have a building that would shadow the park, and Planning would not want to support that. I guess a swap for a site that could take greater density is possible, but there aren't many undeveloped sites left now in Downtown South.

whatnext · #58 Posted **Nov 17, 2019, 1:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

So still no movement on this building, it looks like a new commercial tenant has moved in to the old taco place. I believe the building is half full now, maybe more. Including the shady garage with no windows in it.

I don't even know who owns this now, last i heard it was the city, then there was some kind of swap with a developer or sale.

Chancho moved around the corner into the old Elbow Room space, so it dies seem like there’s no rush to develop.