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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 1:12 PM
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Hi all... longtime lurker but finally felt compelled to post.

I took a trip on Line 1 this evening from Tunney's to Lees that was weird on all levels. Here's the narrative:

As I arrived at Tunney's around 22:00, I missed the train by seconds, but another was scheduled for 14 minutes later (still not as frequent as expected for before midnight) with one following it being 40 minutes away. All of a sudden, the next-train arrival board changed to show the next train being 19 minutes away, with no train after it (I.e. the board only showed one train).

Once the train arrived and we were headed back eastbound, an automated audio announcement onboard kept repeating "sorry for the delay, we will be moving again shortly". As the train approached Bayview, it almost came to a complete stop, before crawling into the station.

The doors opened and remained open at Bayview for well over 25-30 seconds (the type of dwell time you'd expect at peak times). Once the train got going again, it was crawling toward Pimisi. From what I understood, the speed reduction due to the cracked rail was only supposed to affect Hurdman to Tremblay. At Pimisi, the dwell time was closer to 10-15 seconds.

Finally, we continued on towards Lyon station, again at a slower speed than normal. Once at Lyon, the doors are now on manual mode... in an underground station. The chime and audio announcement go off for each individual set of doors which is incredibly annoying as well. At Parliament and Rideau, the doors are again inexplicably on manual mode.

Out of the tunnel now at uOttawa and the doors are... you guessed it, back on automatic mode with 30ish second dwell. Freezing cold. I finally got off at Lees where the doors were on automatic and the train dwelled after I had left the station.

To add to this list of oddities, when the doors opened at Parliament station, we could hear someone coughing loudly over the station PA system.

Since Line 1 opened, this was by far the most bizarre and frustrating trip I've taken, despite the fact that I've been relatively lucky so far and haven't encountered many other delays, partly due to the fact that I don't commute at peak periods. Sorry to make my first post somewhat of a rant, but I posted here because I figured it would inspire more thoughtful discussion as opposed to Reddit.
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That sounds like an exceptionally glitchy ride on the train. I just hope that with each new delay they learn something that is hopefully not repeated. Here's hoping....
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 1:21 PM
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I remember seeing those the first time I entered Hurdman from that direction, and thinking, "they're gonna have to winterize those soon."
I guess none of these RTG people have ever had backyard swimming pools.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 7:24 PM
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A peek inside the nasty fight over LRT at Ottawa City Hall: 'Stop playing games', 'Your behaviour is outrageous'

By: CTVNewsOttawa.ca staff
Last Updated: Thursday, November 14, 2019

One Ottawa city councillor says he had to wage a “two day email battle” just to get the issue of the LRT on the agenda at Transit Commission.

River Ward Councillor Riley Brockington released a tense email exchange between members of the commission, as he tried to change the agenda for the November 20th meeting.

Brockington says he released it to the media to make the point that there is not enough transparency and candor on the most important issue facing the city in decades.

Transit system in crisis


“Our city’s public transit system is in a crisis…your behaviour is outrageous”, Brockington writes to Allan Hubley, Chair of the Transit Commission.

Brockington says Hubley has been trying to silence dissent on the contentious file, something Hubley vehemently denies.

“We’re getting our updates from the media. This is the hottest file”, Brockington said later. “I’m not here to fight with my colleagues. I’m just shocked it was it was not on the agenda.”

Not avoiding the issue

For his part, Hubley wrote that he was not attempting to avoid the issue, suggesting Brockington was manipulating his words.

“Riley I said ‘there will be more updates on LRT in November’ how you can twist that into a denial of providing an update is interesting”, wrote Hubley.

"I had said in writing two weeks ago it will be on every agenda until things calm down," Hubley wrote to CTV Ottawa later. "I am focussed on buses and trains and can't believe his claim that our riders are asking him in large numbers to move this to an agenda item". Hubley says it has already been a large part of Transit Commission's business, and that will continue until the situation stabilizes.

Lack of communication

One of the consistent criticisms of Ottawa’s much maligned LRT, has been the lack of communication with the public and city councillors on the project, especially when it comes to the its serious shortcomings..

The problems with LRT will be discussed at the upcoming meeting, and Brockington wants to make sure the issue is included in every meeting.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/a-peek-inside-...s-your-behaviour-is-outrageous-1.4685788
     
     
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I guess none of these RTG people have ever had backyard swimming pools.
Not in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, anyway. Maybe in California or Spain?
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 7:33 PM
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That sounds like an exceptionally glitchy ride on the train. I just hope that with each new delay they learn something that is hopefully not repeated. Here's hoping....
The schedule was probably up-messed by the staging last night for repairs to that weld. Trains would have to slow to crawl in weird places up and down the line to maintain their newly-restricted run times.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 8:52 PM
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The schedule was probably up-messed by the staging last night for repairs to that weld. Trains would have to slow to crawl in weird places up and down the line to maintain their newly-restricted run times.
If the repair was being done during active service, then the trains would have to be routed around that section of track. This would impact service frequency considerably.

More likely the weld was repaired after service ended at 1 am. Until then, train speeds and service in general would be significantly impacted.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 8:57 PM
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In many respects, city councilors have been left in the dark about transit issues for several months, going back at least to the vote on Phase 2. Nothing has been transparent. City councilors have often been at a disadvantage and I am not surprised that many have been dependent on news media reports to get information.

This may all go back to contractual confidentiality provisions. Remember how that was a massive issue in 2006. Things really haven't changed with this project.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 12:37 PM
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LRT operators trained to feel bumps that might indicate broken weld

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 14, 2019


LRT operators are trained to report even the slightest bump on the rails that could suggest a broken weld, like what maintenance staff discovered Wednesday, a transit manager says.

OC Transpo had to reduce train speeds around Hurdman station that day because of a broken rail weld, which received a temporary fix early in the morning. A rail specialist reviewed the weld and verified that trains could safely continue on the track at reduced speeds until repairs could be made during off-peak hours.

The city on Thursday didn’t point to an exact reason why the rail weld broke.

“A break in a rail weld can occur during extreme cold weather conditions and or in rapid changes in temperature, and OC Transpo has robust reporting mechanisms to ensure that the safety of customers and service along the line is not impacted,” according to Duane Duquette, acting director of rail operations for the city.

There could be further maintenance.

“To keep the service running during the busy weekdays, and due to the length of engineering time required to fix the break in the rail weld, additional repairs will be conducted over the weekend, if required,” Duquette said.

Welds connect rail ends, but Duquette said the design of the track-fastening system and the broad design of the track system “restricts the movement of the rail to mitigate any gap in the rail.”

When an operator reports a bump on the rails, a technician checks the track and assesses the urgency of the repair. The tracks will be closed when there’s a concern for customer safety, Duquette said.

Welds have been part of the quality control reviews during construction of the $2.1-billion LRT system.

In fact, construction inspectors have flagged faulty welds on the LRT project in the years leading up to the launch of the system.

In one example, a 2016 non-conformance report filed by Rideau Transit Group’s own quality control team flags a failed weld on track at the maintenance and storage facility.

The inspector ripped into the contractor’s work, writing that the contractor can control the causes of failed welds, “yet they continue to occur.” It’s “not acceptable,” the inspector wrote, demanding the contractor provide an explanation and explain how welding procedures will be changed.

The cause of the broken welds was unclear, although the report suggests the failure might have happened because weld kits were stored in an unheated container over the winter.

The process for non-conformance reporting, which is a regular part of construction, includes having an engineer sign off on a proposed fix before the repair is done.

When it comes to the LRT line as a whole, the city and Rideau Transit Maintenance (the maintenance arm of RTG) are still trying to resolve unreliability issues related to the computer systems, track switches and train doors.

While Transpo and RTM try to resolve problems on LRT, the transit commission continues to cook up drama, with councillors jostling over what kind of updates there should be at the next meeting Wednesday.

Coun. Riley Brockington on Thursday shared an email thread between councillors demanding transit commission chair Allan Hubley include ongoing LRT and bus network problems on the agenda. Hubley eventually agreed to make the matter part of the agenda.

This term’s transit commission has featured citizen commissioners who are unafraid of highlighting deficiencies on the LRT system, which recently led to Coun. Jean Cloutier, the commission vice-chair, criticizing one of the members on social media for being “unproductive.”

At Wednesday’s meeting, commissioners could clash over the idea of freezing fares in 2020. Hubley and Mayor Jim Watson have proposed holding the prices for three months, while other councillors and commissioners want a full-year freeze to give a break to customers living with a troubled transit system.

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Old Posted Nov 15, 2019, 12:42 PM
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RTG not our BFF anymore — a problem for coming 30-year relationship

Kelly Egan, OTtawa Citizen
Updated: November 15, 2019


The city of Ottawa seems all too eager to throw Rideau Transit Group under the bus, as soon at it finds one running on schedule.

Snippy-swipes aside, here’s why the public slagging is worrisome. We are wedded to this consortium for the next 30 years. Barely back from the honeymoon, we’re now hearing cries of “just not that into you” time and again.

There was an alarming condemnation by city manager Steve Kanellakos last week, before all of council, the media, and thousands via television. Not only was RTG and its maintenance arm, RTM, failing the city with the LRT build, but he left the impression they don’t know what they’re doing.

“We have experienced issues with RTG and RTM that I can only categorize as inadequate management oversight, poor planning, under resourcing and failure to anticipate predictable issues,” he said, and rather gruffly.

Kanellakos — and bless his bluntness — said senior city staff met with “them” over the previous weekend and he came away surprised at how little they knew about dealing with a public-service emergency, the kind he’s often handled.

“We actually had to tell them what things we would do, and we’re not rail specialists, for them to be able to improve this service.”

Good God. The city is telling RTG how to run a railway? We may be way more screwed that we thought.

So, on the heels of this public dressing down of the alphabet train consortium, we have news on Monday that Rideau Transit Maintenance has a new chief executive officer. It is Peter Lauch, also the CEO of Rideau Transit Group.

You don’t know whether to cry or wind your watch, given RTG’s delivery of the $2.1-billion system more than a year late, with a “fragile, still requires assembly” warning label.

It all leads to the same question which, in our daily panic, we aren’t getting answered: Who is RTM? Who is Peter Lauch, for that matter? Are he/they equipped to fix this mess? And, if not, what do we do about it? You think a 30-minute wait is excessive? We have 30 years with these guys.

RTM — oh, and the shock of it all — has no website, no public phone number and no easily accessible business profile. It isn’t clear if they have an office or live in a van down by the river. It may have 50 or 500 employees and a yard full of wise guys or circus elephants. Honestly, who the hell knows what we’re getting for $5 million a month?

Lauch, meanwhile, is sometimes seen at city hall, though public engagement doesn’t seem to be his favourite hobby. Too bad he’s building the biggest infrastructure project in the city’s history.

He appeared before a committee of councillors in February — on command, really — when the handover of the system was almost a year late. The presentation was all very business-like, though he didn’t look entirely comfortable before the microphones.

“We don’t contemplate any other scenario than handover on the 31st of March,” he said.

No sooner were the words out of his mouth, than OC Transpo general manager John Manconi said, essentially, “we don’t believe you.” Talk about whacking the legs from under your most important contractor.

Both Manconi and Mayor Jim Watson moments later said they were quite sure RTG could not meet the April 1 deadline. They were right. The soft-launch of the train didn’t occur until Sept. 14, and we’ve been “contemplating scenarios” ever since, most involving bloody outcomes.

I spoke to someone who worked with Lauch for years. “Nice guy, well-liked, not really a techie” was the line, with a real strength in project management. A civil engineer, he worked for MDS Aero Support Corp. for more than 20 years, a firm that specializes in engine test facilities, like all that wind-tunnel stuff.

In other words, before joining RTG in June 2013 as technical director (according to LinkedIn), he was never a train guy. Maybe that means nothing. A man can learn a lot about rail in six years. Why then, as long as nine months ago, was the city publicly questioning his judgment?

The bottom line here is the same. The city hall people who work closely with the RTG group — Manconi, Kanellakos, presumably Watson — don’t express much faith in the company that is responsible for the trains, the track and wires, and pretty much every bolt that holds it all together, until 2050.

Forget about adding a bus or two or 10 or 200, is this not the real problem? We married them, now worry when they leave “for a pack of smokes.”

Talk about a rocky relationship heading off the rails.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/column...ymore-a-wee-problem-on-30-year-road-trip
     
     
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I can't for the life of me figure out why this contract wasn't better structured with vastly better performance provisions built in. Even if staff didn't know what they were doing, why couldn't they have done a find/replace on a contract from another jurisdiction?
     
     
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Province offers help to fix Ottawa's transit problems

Nepean MPP Lisa MacLeod suggests possible financial help for the city as it struggles with LRT problems.

about 13 hours ago By: Jenn Pritchard

After weeks of issues with the O-Train's Confederation Line and the bus network, the province is stepping in to offer the city some help.

Nepean MPP Lisa MacLeod confirmed to 1310 NEWS that she contacted the Minister of Transportation, Caroline Mulroney, and Mayor Jim Watson's office on Thursday to get the ball rolling.

"When I spoke with the mayor, he did indicate that they weren't looking for financial support at the moment, nor did they think that we could support them with additional capacity given that so many of the former bus rapid transit routes are now full of rail tracks," said MacLeod.

MacLeod explained that regardless, the Ministry of Transportation will reach out to the city to see how the province can support Ottawa.


MacLeod feels the provincial government could offer up some extra buses from Metrolinx to help with the need.

The Minister said she wants the LRT to succeed but notes that it has been challenging.


"I want the city of Ottawa to be successful," MacLeod told 1310 NEWS. "So, if there is a way that we can help them achieve that then I think it's worth looking at."

MacLeod noted that now is not the time to play the blame game when it comes to the transit system and any of the issues.

"The finger pointing can happen later; I think right now calmer heads should prevail and we should see how we can best move forward and fix this issue at the moment," said MacLeod.

The mayor's office issued this statement when asked to confirm speaking with the minister:

"Mayor Watson spoke with Minister Lisa McLeod earlier today and is thankful for the Province's offer to assist as the City works to improve the performance of the LRT system. The Mayor expects City staff to engage with the Province to explore their offer of assistance."
     
     
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MacLeod feels the provincial government could offer up some extra buses from Metrolinx to help with the need.
If we could borrow some GO double deckers and drivers for a few months, that would probably be very helpful.
     
     
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I can't for the life of me figure out why this contract wasn't better structured with vastly better performance provisions built in. Even if staff didn't know what they were doing, why couldn't they have done a find/replace on a contract from another jurisdiction?
The contract is well structured. I bet the delays were getting to the point where the books of the proponent were awful, and possibly getting near the danger zone. Getting into the operation period even with penalties could be much better for them.

Even if they thought the system needed a lot of work (the computers, train control) they probably didn’t think it was so bad. But if you need major work showing all the failings is useful for trying to force the subcontractor to comply as well. That it got so much worse once the system was facing the load without support of the buses was likely a surprise.

A good contract can end up going bad and a bad contract can end up good.
     
     
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I can't for the life of me figure out why this contract wasn't better structured with vastly better performance provisions built in. Even if staff didn't know what they were doing, why couldn't they have done a find/replace on a contract from another jurisdiction?
I've often thought the same thing. Apparently the funding for Stage 2 is moving to a regular payment system rather than a milestone-based system like Stage 1. I struggle to see how this will do anything but disincentivise reliability, quality construction and performance.
     
     
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I've often thought the same thing. Apparently the funding for Stage 2 is moving to a regular payment system rather than a milestone-based system like Stage 1. I struggle to see how this will do anything but disincentivise reliability, quality construction and performance.
This probably is indicative of a problem they've seen with the project co. on phase 1 - running out of money, and trending towards default.



Default in itself isn't the end of the world - the project co. would be sold and some of the debt of the project co. would be written off (as long as the government isn't guaranteeing the debt). London Underground has had one project default and one project get close enough to default that it all but defaulted.



But after years more experience delivering projects, prospective bidders want to take on less risk transfer (Calgary is having trouble creating a contractible tunnel for this reason, after both Ottawa and Seattle had big problems with fixed cost tunnelling). So as the government, you can either transfer less risk, or you pay a higher risk premium.
     
     
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This probably is indicative of a problem they've seen with the project co. on phase 1 - running out of money, and trending towards default.



Default in itself isn't the end of the world - the project co. would be sold and some of the debt of the project co. would be written off (as long as the government isn't guaranteeing the debt). London Underground has had one project default and one project get close enough to default that it all but defaulted.



But after years more experience delivering projects, prospective bidders want to take on less risk transfer (Calgary is having trouble creating a contractible tunnel for this reason, after both Ottawa and Seattle had big problems with fixed cost tunnelling). So as the government, you can either transfer less risk, or you pay a higher risk premium.
Part of the reason for a 30% increase over expected costs for Phase 2. If you want the contractor to assume high risk, you have to pay a higher price.
     
     
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If we could borrow some GO double deckers and drivers for a few months, that would probably be very helpful.
I don't think they'd be well suited for our needs since they only have a single door.

Even with the wide rear doors on ours, it's difficult enough to load and unload passengers efficiently.
     
     
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I don't think they'd be well suited for our needs since they only have a single door.

Even with the wide rear doors on ours, it's difficult enough to load and unload passengers efficiently.
If all they're doing is running non-stop from Fallowfield to Parliament (for example), that is probably OK.
     
     
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If all they're doing is running non-stop from Fallowfield to Parliament (for example), that is probably OK.
I commute from Barrhaven almost daily. In my opinion I don't see a requirement for additional buses on the routing between Fallowfield and Tunney's Pasture.

There are 105 buses that operate between Fallowfield and Tunney's Pasture between 6-9AM. About 60% of those are Connexion (Express) buses (270-278) and the remaining 40% are Transitway buses (74/75). That means on average that a bus shows up at the station every two minutes or less.

Occasionally there may be a longer gap between buses and a crowd of people will accumulate to the point that not everyone gets on a bus. However, another bus or two normally show up a minute later and the crowd gets cleared. In fact, I have often observed people intentionally not getting on a bus as soon as people start to have to stand, knowing that if they wait two or three more minutes they will quite likely get a seat.
     
     
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