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Old Posted Nov 8, 2019, 12:39 PM
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I saw yesterday that the clearing along the Queensway at Pinecrest was well underway.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 12:40 PM
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Trees fall as LRT construction surges west

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 13, 2019




For residents on Parkway Crescent near Iris Street transit station, construction of Stage 2 of Ottawa’s LRT arrived early one October morning with the whine of chainsaws.

Work crews were cutting a nearly 40-year-old forest — tall stands of maple, oak, black walnut and rare butternut trees — as they got ready to reshape the landscape for the rail’s arrival.

“You can forget about sleeping in,” said Lorraine Renaud, a retiree who lives with her husband, Brian, at the corner of Parkway and Iris Street.

What’s left of the forest is now a pile of slash and wood chips, with carefully stacked rows of hardwood logs. It looks more like a logging company’s clearcut than the once-tranquil forest that was home to rabbits, foxes and even the occasional deer and coyote.

“It makes no sense to me to destroy green space,” says Stanley McBride, another Parkway Crescent resident. “It’s the lifeblood of the city. It’s what attracts people to Ottawa.

“I think light rail is an excellent idea — it’s been a long time coming — but I really didn’t expect them to be removing this many trees.”

Crews are clearing out the woodlot to make way for Iris Station, the second last stop on the Confederation Line West extension to Baseline Road. The new rail lines, which should be ready for service in 2025, follow the existing bus transitway south from Lincoln Fields Station along Pinecrest Creek, under the Queensway and on to the terminus of Stage 2 at Algonquin College.

It’s a tricky engineering problem that requires Pinecrest Creek to be rerouted to a new course west of the LRT tracks. The stretch of track from Lincoln Fields to Baseline runs through the creek’s floodplain so the city is building a large storm water pond on NCC land on the east side of Woodroffe Avenue along the Experimental Farm Pathway to hold the overflow from rain storms.

The storm water ponds are part of the “unified hydrology” plan for the creek, says Michael Morgan, the city’s director of rail construction and the man overseeing LRT Stage 2.

“We know there’s a lots of questions about butternut trees in this area and we’re sensitive to that,” Morgan said. “People think of a storm water pond and they think of a big rectangular massive structure, but this is more of a park. We’ll be planting and adding lots of trees in this area.”

In fact, the city is promising to plant two trees for every tree it removes as part of its re-greening project. The cutting is happening now so birds don’t nest in them next spring and disrupt next summer’s construction season.



Another casualty of the tree clearing is an orchard of crab apple trees near Lincoln Fields Station, one of the most spectacular in the city and a magnet for local artists and photographers. The trees, which were planted in the mid 1970s, are near the end of their 40 to 50-year lifespan and sit in the middle of where the new Lincoln Fields LRT station will be.

And more big trees are coming down along Pinecrest Creek south of Lincoln Fields, where the Confederation Line splits, with one line heading west toward Bayshore and the other south through Iris Station to Baseline. Connaught Avenue resident Dave Krochmalnek posted photos of one massive oak marked for cutting on his neighbourhood’s Facebook page.

“I was sad to think this summer was the last time I would see it with leaves on. We don’t adequately value 100+ year trees in our society,” he wrote.

“At the end of the day I can understand that if a tree has to go, it has to go,” Krochmalnek said in an interview. “But when I look at the posts of where (the LRT) is going to be built, it doesn’t look like it’s going to be in the way. If they’d put some thought into saving the big trees. They could probably move a few feet over to the south and go through some trees that are in rougher shape.

“I know they’re replanting, but it’s going to take years and years to get back to the way it was.”

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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 2:13 PM
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[B]Trees fall as LRT construction surges west

Another casualty of the tree clearing is an orchard of crab apple trees near Lincoln Fields Station, one of the most spectacular in the city and a magnet for local artists and photographers.
The trees, which were planted in the mid 1970s, are near the end of their 40 to 50-year lifespan and sit in the middle of where the new Lincoln Fields LRT station will be.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2019, 5:14 PM
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Nice to get an update on Stage 2. We don't hear much about it otherwise.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 3:12 AM
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I hate the design and situation of the new Lincoln Fields so very much it hurts.
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i hate the design and situation of the new lincoln fields so very much it hurts.
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I hate the design and situation of the new Lincoln Fields so very much it hurts.
I don't like the design of the bus loop and wish they put the station under Carling so that buses travelling along Carling can just stop at the street.

As for the trees, if the trees are about 45 years old and have a 40 to 50 year lifespan, then I don't think it is that big an issue. I Google it, and according to this source:
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Crabapple trees have a lifespan of 30 to 70 years, depending on individual climate, care and disease conditions.
So, given our climate, 40 to 50 years seems reasonable. I don't know how many (if any) have died so far, but I would expect if they didn't remove them, the number of trees dying would increase dramatically over the next few years. That is the problem with artificial forests, since all the trees are planted at the same time, they will all reach the end of their life around the same time.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2019, 7:36 PM
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I don't like the design of the bus loop and wish they put the station under Carling so that buses travelling along Carling can just stop at the street.
Precisely. Unnecessary bus loops could only be dreamed up by people who don't actually use transit.
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Precisely. Unnecessary bus loops could only be dreamed up by people who don't actually use transit.
Don't even think about a local bus taking you anywhere but to the closest LRT station. You shouldn't want to go anywhere else.

Our family joke is that you are required to transfer to the C-Line to get to your destination even if it takes you half way across the city out of your way and then have to back track.
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Our family joke is that you are required to transfer to the C-Line to get to your destination even if it takes you half way across the city out of your way and then have to back track.
That's what happened to our community. The seniors' lost their one bus to grocery stores. Now it is a bus, a one block walk on the road with one's back to traffic, and another bus the last block. Alternatively, they can take a bus 5 minutes in the opposite direction to Tunney's D and then stand around and wait for their old bus (which now bypasses our community in favour of getting others to the LRT more directly.) I've never bothered to see if the buses (both only every 30 minutes) come close to connecting.

All this for a 900m walk but many can only walk 100m at a time.

What's frustrating is that many moved here because of the transit at the door. They could no longer drive so had to give up their homes. Then the bus moved away and everyone is telling them they shouldn't expect door to door service.

I feel frustrated for them, and for the Good Companions Centre, another place built where the transit was, only to have it move away from them and people say it is unreasonable for them to have service at the door.
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My best guess for the Lincoln fields station being in a weird place is that they want leave room for the SJAM to be extended to the highway over the current transitway.
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That's what happened to our community. The seniors' lost their one bus to grocery stores. Now it is a bus, a one block walk on the road with one's back to traffic, and another bus the last block. Alternatively, they can take a bus 5 minutes in the opposite direction to Tunney's D and then stand around and wait for their old bus (which now bypasses our community in favour of getting others to the LRT more directly.) I've never bothered to see if the buses (both only every 30 minutes) come close to connecting.

All this for a 900m walk but many can only walk 100m at a time.

What's frustrating is that many moved here because of the transit at the door. They could no longer drive so had to give up their homes. Then the bus moved away and everyone is telling them they shouldn't expect door to door service.

I feel frustrated for them, and for the Good Companions Centre, another place built where the transit was, only to have it move away from them and people say it is unreasonable for them to have service at the door.
My local bus was once convenient for my office, my bank, my dentist, my doctor and shopping. Then they made "improvements" for downtown commuters and eliminated efficient and direct transfers. So, when it was no longer convenient, they lost me as a customer. Don't you think this will happen for many others? Seniors will become shut ins with no convenient access to local shopping and services. Students facing a two transfer commute to college or university across the city and a 1.5 hour commute will be forced to consider buying a car and likely lost as transit riders for the rest of their lives.
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My best guess for the Lincoln fields station being in a weird place is that they want leave room for the SJAM to be extended to the highway over the current transitway.
We have been waiting for this connection to the Queensway since the Greber Plan of the 1940s. The SJAM was opened to Carling Avenue in 1967.
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Don't even think about a local bus taking you anywhere but to the closest LRT station. You shouldn't want to go anywhere else.

Our family joke is that you are required to transfer to the C-Line to get to your destination even if it takes you half way across the city out of your way and then have to back track.
It could have been so much worse. It was soooooo close to being so much worse.
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We have been waiting for this connection to the Queensway since the Greber Plan of the 1940s. The SJAM was opened to Carling Avenue in 1967.
Building more freeways/parkways does nothing to alleviate congestion in the long run. We've known this since the 70s.
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Building more freeways/parkways does nothing to alleviate congestion in the long run. We've known this since the 70s.
Agreed.
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Building more freeways/parkways does nothing to alleviate congestion in the long run. We've known this since the 70s.
Wait, people have been using the SJAM for commuting!? Blasphemy! How DARE they insist on convenient access to a commuting route! This is for the leafers and tourists ONLY. *Soup Nazi Voice* NO CONNECTION FOR YOU!

(But seriously, if the highway connection was more convenient, the backups on the SJAM would go from 30-40 minutes to 1-2 hours, easy)
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Good Day. FYI.

C-Line West Extension Information Session announced :

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Stage 2 LRT Information Sessions - Confederation Line West Extension (Dominion Station and Westboro Station)
Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2019, 10:46 am
Last updated: Thursday, November 21, 2019, 10:52 am

Dates & Times
Monday, December 9, 2019,
6:30 pm to 8:30 pm

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https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ation-sessions

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Was headed out to Kanata today and noticed that tree clearing is underway along the 417 west of Moodie.
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Good Day. FYI.

C-Line West Extension Information Session announced :

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Stage 2 LRT Information Sessions - Confederation Line West Extension (Queensview Station to Moodie Station)
Posted: Friday, November 22, 2019, 1:24 pm
Last updated: Friday, November 22, 2019, 1:50 pm

Dates & Times
Thursday, December 12, 2019,
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https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ation-sessions

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