Does Western Alienation exist, and how can we fix it?

[misher]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

BC produces 29% of Canada's natural gas, and uses 8%. We'll save you all.

And how will get get it to Quebec from Northern BC?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by misher

And how will get get it to Quebec from Northern BC?

Maybe the Bloc will support that pipeline.

[MacLac]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Education is weak on this thread. LNG is usually a byproduct of the oil extraction.

No it's not - LNG is Liquified Nat Gas....only done by LNG terminals, ie Canada LNG in Kitimat (Shell) Especially in the Montney - where I have worked for the past 12 years....gas specific wells and/or gas liquids wells are 99% of the drilling in the Montney. Conventional OIL well drilling that you speak of....is rare in Alberta and non-existent in BC.

[itom 987]

On equalization, why do Quebecers from all professions accept such shitty pay compared to the rest of the country? Why can all households afford to have a swimming pool in their backyard in spite of being paid so little?

[MacLac]

Originally Posted by itom 987

On equalization, why do Quebecers from all professions accept such shitty pay compared to the rest of the country? Why can all households afford to have a swimming pool in their backyard in spite of being paid so little?

No need to - when you're feeding from Alberta's trough to the tune of 13B/year......

[lio45]

Originally Posted by itom 987

Why can all households afford to have a swimming pool in their backyard in spite of being paid so little?

Cost of living generally balances itself. It's not surprising an engineer in Bangladesh earning $5 an hour can afford a swimming pool in his backyard dug by Bangladeshis paid 50 cents an hour and covered in concrete and tile by semi-professionals paid $1 an hour.

On the other hand, bus drivers in San Francisco earn well into the six figures per year so the bus fare can't be cheap. Again, that's somewhat balanced.

[CityTech]

Originally Posted by misher

And how will get get it to Quebec from Northern BC?

Quebec uses a lot less natural gas than the rest of us. They do pretty much all of their home heating with electricity there.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by misher

And how will get get it to Quebec from Northern BC?

Through the current Energy East pipeline. Wha? You might ask. How can that be when that is supposed to be converted to ship bitumen.

The pipeline is over 20 years old and about 15-20 years ago, it had a burst and a fireball from it. So, when they want to switch it over to bitumen, I ask 2 questions:
1) How do you plan to ship NG east?
2) if the pipe already had an explosion, what's to say it won't happen again?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by MacLac

No it's not - LNG is Liquified Nat Gas....only done by LNG terminals, ie Canada LNG in Kitimat (Shell) Especially in the Montney - where I have worked for the past 12 years....gas specific wells and/or gas liquids wells are 99% of the drilling in the Montney. Conventional OIL well drilling that you speak of....is rare in Alberta and non-existent in BC.

So, the practices of fracking is one method of getting oil out of the ground in the AB region. That produces NG, which is then processed for market.

I was not referring to the pump jacks that litter southern AB.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Through the current Energy East pipeline. Wha? You might ask. How can that be when that is supposed to be converted to ship bitumen.

The pipeline is over 20 years old and about 15-20 years ago, it had a burst and a fireball from it. So, when they want to switch it over to bitumen, I ask 2 questions:
1) How do you plan to ship NG east?
2) if the pipe already had an explosion, what's to say it won't happen again?

There’s at least 5 pipelines as part of the Canadian mainline that crosses the country. One of those lines was proposed to be converted to carry bitumen because it was operating below capacity.

There’s what is called in-Line inspection and integrity digs. Technologies have advanced a fair bit over 20 years. What’s to say it won’t happen again is nobody can, in the same way that what’s to say another 747 won’t crash.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

There’s at least 5 pipelines as part of the Canadian mainline that crosses the country. One of those lines was proposed to be converted to carry bitumen because it was operating below capacity.

There’s what is called in-Line inspection and integrity digs. Technologies have advanced a fair bit over 20 years. What’s to say it won’t happen again is nobody can, in the same way that what’s to say another 747 won’t crash.

Well, when the line crosses your drinking water, that is not good enough. That is why so many communities, including my hometown, said no.

[begratto]

Originally Posted by MacLac

No need to - when you're feeding from Alberta's trough to the tune of 13B/year......

Let me quote a tweet from Gerald Filion (a French-CBC journalist who specializes in economy and commerce) for a quick equalization-101 course:

Equalization is a federal program. Federal revenue is 332 billion: 138 billion from Ontario, 60 billion from Québec, 47 billion from Alberta. So, 47 billion of 332 billion is 14 %... and 14 % of 13 billion in equalization for Québec is 1,8 billion that would come from Alberta.

[hipster duck]

Originally Posted by itom 987

On equalization, why do Quebecers from all professions accept such shitty pay compared to the rest of the country? Why can all households afford to have a swimming pool in their backyard in spite of being paid so little?

Higher marginal tax rates are usually a disincentive to earning higher salaries.

The lower salaries are probably made up for, to some extent, by better services (paid through higher taxes) and lower cost of living.

The flipside would be the US, which is a high salary, low tax (and low services) kind of place. There the worse public services are made up, to some extent, by the higher salaries.

Alberta is a high salary, low tax and high services place, but the high services are contingent on oil prices being high.

[itom 987]

Originally Posted by lio45

Cost of living generally balances itself. It's not surprising an engineer in Bangladesh earning $5 an hour can afford a swimming pool in his backyard dug by Bangladeshis paid 50 cents an hour and covered in concrete and tile by semi-professionals paid $1 an hour.

On the other hand, bus drivers in San Francisco earn well into the six figures per year so the bus fare can't be cheap. Again, that's somewhat balanced.

In other words Quebec would be a third world province without equalization. I am still surprised that you guys don't complain to your employers about the level of pay you get compared to the rest of Canada. You all want to take the easy route and whine and complain in hope that Albertans will stoop down to your level. That will never happen, grow a pair and demand a raise.

This whining about Alberta's oil wealth is just a mask to cover up what you all are really complaining about.

[Loco101]

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[Acajack]

Originally Posted by itom 987

In other words Quebec would be a third world province without equalization. I am still surprised that you guys don't complain to your employers about the level of pay you get compared to the rest of Canada. You all want to take the easy route and whine and complain in hope that Albertans will stoop down to your level. That will never happen, grow a pair and demand a raise.

This whining about Alberta's oil wealth is just a mask to cover up what you all are really complaining about.

Who is complaining from Quebec?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by hipster duck

Higher marginal tax rates are usually a disincentive to earning higher salaries.

The lower salaries are probably made up for, to some extent, by better services (paid through higher taxes) and lower cost of living.

The flipside would be the US, which is a high salary, low tax (and low services) kind of place. There the worse public services are made up, to some extent, by the higher salaries.

Alberta is a high salary, low tax and high services place, but the high services are contingent on oil prices being high.

The world. Explained.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Who is complaining from Quebec?

And what good would it do?

[Loco101]

Talking about natural gas, my region and Quebec: This is something I received in the mail last week.



Here's a link to the website: https://gazoduq.com/en/

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

And what good would it do?

Exactement