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lrt's friend · #**13421** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 4:54 PM**

I remember leaning against something (what I thought was a pole on a bus that turned out to be a closing door) that I thought was solid and it wasn't and I almost fell over.

You would think that a non-solid barrier would be a tripping hazard as much or more so as a solid barrier.

Gat-Train · #**13422** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 5:45 PM**

The bollards are flexible because they don't want people to lean on them

lrt's friend · #**13423** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 6:04 PM**

Really? The Confederation Line has had breakdowns every day since Friday including this morning.

kmcamp · #**13424** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 6:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Well that's stupid. What are the chances that a train is immobilized at an exact position to block one door. The chances of someone attempting to lean on them by mistakenly thinking the posts are solid, or walking right through them because they are distracted, and subsequently falling onto the tracks, is significantly higher than the former. And even if a door is blocked by the barrier, we have an addition 6 doors per car, so what does it matter?

Classic case of solving a non-issue and creating a much more serious hazard.

It actually has already happened that a train stopped in the wrong position at the bollards, I'll dig up the Twitter picture if I see it again.

It's the law, Toronto doesn't have them because the barriers are on the trains themselves, which also satisfies the requirement.

Kitchissippi · #**13425** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 8:21 PM**

I noticed they changed the French pronunciation of Lyon on the train I was on this afternoon

lrt's friend · #**13426** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

I noticed they changed the French pronunciation of Lyon on the train I was on this afternoon

To reflect that it is an English surname?

Kitchissippi · #**13427** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 8:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

To reflect that it is an English surname?

No, I heard it pronounced like the city in France.

MalcolmTucker · #**13428** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 8:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by kmcamp

It actually has already happened that a train stopped in the wrong position at the bollards, I'll dig up the Twitter picture if I see it again.

It's the law, Toronto doesn't have them because the barriers are on the trains themselves, which also satisfies the requirement.

Whose requirement? Vancouver doesn’t have them, don’t remember them in Montreal, Calgary or Edmonton.

PHrenetic · #**13429** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 9:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Yup. Unless you're about 16 feet tall, those stern signs in the stations are a lie.

Also, boy it's a lot easier to self-rescue or get rescued if you end up toppling into a low-floor rail pit vs the traditional kind.

Good Day.

Yep... I hate that they are using the high voltage signs to keep people off the tracks. As said... a LIE !
Better would be signs stating STAY OFF with a big picture of a ! SPLAT !

An additional factor..... the delay factor in working through all the layers of officialdom. Either of the RTG/RTM/OC ops center yellow phone or 911.....either way it is WAY more likely that the next train will come through and kill the errant transit client before you get through to them that it is NECESSARY NOW to STOP the TRAIN.
An additional aid would be for those at both ends of both platforms to wave down the driver of the arriving train to STOP. I have to think the driver would pay attention to a platform full of people waving him down.

Hum

lrt's friend · #**13430** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 9:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

No, I heard it pronounced like the city in France.

Why are we doing such things? We are not respecting the memory of that family.

We had something similar in my neighbourhood where they used a French pronunciation in the English announcement although everybody used the English pronunciation. Revisionist history. Bah!

PHrenetic · #**13431** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Whose requirement? Vancouver doesn’t have them, don’t remember them in Montreal, Calgary or Edmonton.

Good Day.

IIRC, the Ontario People with Disabilities Act, but I can well be wrong. ie: the Ontario Nanny State.
There is also the Best Practices manuals growing up around and about.

All the other provinces believe that people are capable, but the Nanny State is making inroads in them as well.

Hum.

kmcamp · #**13432** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

IIRC, the Ontario People with Disabilities Act, but I can well be wrong. ie: the Ontario Nanny State.
There is also the Best Practices manuals growing up around and about.

All the other provinces believe that people are capable, but the Nanny State is making inroads in them as well.

Hum.

We're the only province with a disability access act, modelled after the Americans AODA (which is why you see the same type of bollards down there).

Catenary · #**13433** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 10:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

IIRC, the Ontario People with Disabilities Act, but I can well be wrong. ie: the Ontario Nanny State.
There is also the Best Practices manuals growing up around and about.

All the other provinces believe that people are capable, but the Nanny State is making inroads in them as well.

Hum.

"We've never done it before so why should we do it now" is a pretty weak argument against changes to accommodate persons with disabilities.

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I remember leaning against something (what I thought was a pole on a bus that turned out to be a closing door) that I thought was solid and it wasn't and I almost fell over.

You would think that a non-solid barrier would be a tripping hazard as much or more so as a solid barrier.

The manufacturer has a bunch of information on their website:

https://www.impactrecovery.com/products/sentinel-bcb-between-car-barriers/

In particular, there's a whitepaper that discusses the flexible requirement:
https://www.impactrecovery.com/assets/uploads/general/Sentinel_BCB_White_Paper_M501.pdf

Norman Bates · #**13434** Posted **Nov 11, 2019, 11:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Catenary

"We've never done it before so why should we do it now" is a pretty weak argument against changes to accommodate persons with disabilities.

Thank you.

PHrenetic · #**13435** Posted **Nov 12, 2019, 12:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Catenary

"We've never done it before so why should we do it now" is a pretty weak argument against changes to accommodate persons with disabilities.

Good Day.

Sorry.... I did not mean to say that it should not be done; rather that there has to be a better way.
I tend to agree with lrt's friend in that so many of the ways/methods we currently use lead to more hazards for more people than I think is strictly warranted.
And before you ask me how, or a better way, I do not know. But to make an accommodation situation worse by mis-interpretation or mis-use is not a help.
Those flexi-bollards ARE a hazard, and there needs to be a better way.

My use of the term Nanny State is in this connection, not in the not-to-do-it connection. So much of the N.S. is a mis-guided and fail-state interference in doing it right.

Thx.

lrt's friend · #**13436** Posted **Nov 12, 2019, 2:03 AM**

No doubt there is no perfect solution.

Uhuniau · #**13437** Posted **Nov 12, 2019, 2:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

No, I heard it pronounced like the city in France.

Oh dear lord.

That... is wrong. I have heard that someone complained about it, but they are wrong.

TheMatth69 · #**13438** Posted **Nov 12, 2019, 10:27 AM**

A lot of but hurted anglophone in this thread.
Lebreton was always pronounced in English even though it's a French name (pronounced L'breton), same goes for Laurier (Loree) or Saint-Laurent (saint-loran). Not gonna mention Orléans (pronounced Orleens), or Gatineau prononced (Gat'no). So there is absolutely no reason that Lyon wouldn't be pronounced the French way. Furthermore Lyon is a French last name, making it logic to translate it properly in French.

Bilingualism isn't a one way deal! You pronounce our word in English, we pronounce them in French.

https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Lyon

acottawa · #**13439** Posted **Nov 12, 2019, 12:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by TheMatth69

So there is absolutely no reason that Lyon wouldn't be pronounced the French way. Furthermore Lyon is a French last name, making it logic to translate it properly in French.

https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Lyon

As far as I know Lyon Street was named after Robert Lyon, the Mayor around the time of Confederation, who was a Scotsman.

Kitchissippi · #**13440** Posted **Nov 12, 2019, 2:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by acottawa

As far as I know Lyon Street was named after Robert Lyon, the Mayor around the time of Confederation, who was a Scotsman.

Maybe the francophone citizens at that time referred to him as Monsieur Lyon pronounced the French way? Trudeau's name is pronounced differently in in French and English today. Rideau, Tremblay and Cyrville all have alternate pronunciations in the announcements. I actually think the pronunciation of Pimisi should also be adjusted to be more phonetic in French, the first short i sounds unnatural.