Sen̓áḵw (Squamish Nation) | 11 Towers | 171m | 58fl | 4M sqft | U/C

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Some highlights from the article:

I do hope the final plan for ground-level commercial uses will be substantial and make a meaningful contribution to ubanity in the currently sleepy area.

What would be the point of a retail strip here? Not easy to get to and no through roads. Unless there is some screamingingly good deal on rents because of the FN ownership structure it would be a tough slog for any retailer.

[Klazu]

Tallest tower 56 floors. No podiums and only 10% of units will have parking.

I wonder if any of these will block any viewcones, rendering them void?

[Vin]

Leave it to the First Nations to finally do something right in this City. This will be the most significant near-downtown development that Vancouver will be seeing since the start of this Millennium.

Everything on my wish list is here! Amazing.

Originally Posted by Klazu

Tallest tower 56 floors. No podiums and only 10% of units will have parking.

I wonder if any of these will block any viewcones, rendering them void?

I wish all of them do, and that they bulldoze through the process by disregarding them.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

What would be the point of a retail strip here? Not easy to get to and no through roads. Unless there is some screamingingly good deal on rents because of the FN ownership structure it would be a tough slog for any retailer.

6000 new customers?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Leave it to the First Nations to finally do something right in this City. This will be the most significant near-downtown development that Vancouver will be seeing since the start of this Millennium.

I'm in agreement with Vin. I'll be scheduling an appointment with my doctor shortly.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I'm in agreement with Vin. I'll be scheduling an appointment with my doctor shortly.

Checking on the arteries eh?

[cov]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

6000 new customers?

6000 units, 10,000 new customers. I don't understand why people hate ground floor retail. Even unpopular locations can be home to some niche businesses that might not survive the high rents of major shopping districts.

[officedweller]

Granville Island is a stone's throw from the site and could service the residents (and help the Island, too).
I could see retail spaces for cafes and restaurants, rather than lots of retail stores. Maybe a small supermarket.
I could see Kits Point residents having a fit over anything that attracts people to the area.

Originally Posted by whatnext

... I doubt Westbank's target demographic will be as interested in that set-up.

Agreed. Chinese residents would want to own, rather than rent.

Also good to hear that a streetcar extension may be in the cards.

PS - that ground level plan seems to under-represent the floorplates of he towers - just showing the elevator cores, really.
You can see a perimeter of support columns around each elevator core.

[Metro-One]

Going to be an interesting battle, which will be stronger, the city’s holy view cones or its virtue signaling reconciliation. (Just want to note I am not against reconciliation, but many of Vancouver’s tactics have been pretty transparent...)

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Going to be an interesting battle, which will be stronger, the city’s holy view cones or its virtue signaling reconciliation. (Just want to note I am not against reconciliation, but many of Vancouver’s tactics have been pretty transparent...)

Battle with whom? It's an Indian Reserve. The City has no say on what gets built, or what it looks like.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Battle with whom? It's an Indian Reserve. The City has no say on what gets built, or what it looks like.

Not directly, but as stated before they do need to negotiate services and utilities.

The same way both provincial and federal projects don’t need to adhere to city policies, but as we saw with the BC place tower proposal, they still “negotiate”

As much as we wish it these projects don’t exist in a vacuum.

What will the average person in Vancouver do? The regular ones who always complain against tall towers?

Will the city even suggest a reduction?

[officedweller]

Hmm, well that hasn't stopped residents from protesting TransMountain or other things outside of City of Vancouver's jurisdiction.

It all started with the "Nuclear-Free Zone", didn't it?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Battle with whom? It's an Indian Reserve. The City has no say on what gets built, or what it looks like.

That doesn't mean voters won't take out their displeasure with the scale of the project on civic politicians.

[rofina]

I think this is great - and it opens up even more interesting opportunities for being bold on the Jericho lands.

Vancouver and its view cones can go take a hike. We have been in a city destroying RE crunch for years, time to relax on a few arbitrary road blocks and deliver some housing.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Not directly, but as stated before they do need to negotiate services and utilities.

The same way both provincial and federal projects don’t need to adhere to city policies, but as we saw with the BC place tower proposal, they still “negotiate”

As much as we wish it these projects don’t exist in a vacuum.

What will the average person in Vancouver do? The regular ones who always complain against tall towers?

Will the city even suggest a reduction?

I'd guess the City will negotiate the water/sewer hookup on a purely technical basis - are the existing services able to handle the additional volume, or do they need upgrading? That happens with rezonings all across the city - I don't see that this will be any different. If new or upgraded facilities are needed, the developer pays.

The regular objector to towers will presumably object to the Squamish Nation. Any complaints to the City will no doubt be met with an accurate "sorry, not within our jurisdiction". The Federal Government didn't negotiate on the Seaforth building near here - they just built it. Similarly the Province installed the huge billboards on BC Place without asking. They did agree to following normal planning procedures on the BC Place residential tower, but depending on who's running the Province, there's no guarantee they would in a different case.

Given the strength of feeling about reconciliation, I'd be very surprised if the City expressed any opinion (officially) about the height / density proposed. Individual councillors might though.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Hmm, well that hasn't stopped residents from protesting TransMountain or other things outside of City of Vancouver's jurisdiction.

It all started with the "Nuclear-Free Zone", didn't it?

True - but protesting big oil scores points with the woke crowd. Different proposition.

Who's going to step in front of the speeding bullet that would be protesting FN's right to build on their own land? Not going to happen.

EDIT: I should point out I fully expect backlash from like 50% of Kits residents. But this will go over like a lead balloon all around.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by rofina

I think this is great - and it opens up even more interesting opportunities for being bold on the Jericho lands.

That's not an Indian Reserve - so it's not the same process (or lack of process). They're following a 'usual' rezoning process

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by whatnext

That doesn't mean voters won't take out their displeasure with the scale of the project on civic politicians.

But the project still gets built, and the city is forced to grow up a little and reflect on the many inadequate, irresponsible plans, by comparison, currently in place across the inner city, especially around much more vitally strategic mass transit nodes and corridors. This project could be the external force needed to break Vancouver's current pyschological logjam, both at city hall and in the minds of its citizens, when they see the sky doesn't fall.

[Feathered Friend]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Tallest tower 56 floors. No podiums and only 10% of units will have parking.

I wonder if any of these will block any viewcones, rendering them void?

The only viewcone that it might effect is a sliver of #20.1, which is based from the intersection of Granville and Broadway





https://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/granville-street-protected-view.aspx

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

But the project still gets built, and the city is forced to grow up a little and reflect on the many inadequate, irresponsible plans currently in place across the inner city, especially around vitally strategic transit nodes, by comparison.

One scenario could be that City Council sit back and say 'well, we've got this experiment with the highest density development in the Region (Canada?) with only 10% parking, so we'll see how that works out before we decide to change anything beyond our new City-wide Plan'.