Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[officedweller]

First of 12 new trains for the Canada Line now in service
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-line-skytrain-new-trains-in-service


First new Canada Line train now in service, November 2019. (Juan M. Sanchez / submitted)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-line-skytrain-new-trains-in-service

[Migrant_Coconut]

Good ol' Kenneth - Canada Line's finally getting new trains, and immediately he complains that they're not as fancy as the Evergreen ones.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Good ol' Kenneth - Canada Line's finally getting new trains, and immediately he complains that they're not as fancy as the Evergreen ones.

People are never happy unless they have something to complain about.

[ilikeredheads]

While I agree an improved seating layout and digital route maps would be nice but not a necessity, I do feel it is a missed opportunity to not upgrade them before entering service. Now they would need to take trains out of service if they were to update them in the future.

I just want them to improve service to Richmond asap. It is packed during rush hours

[Express691]

Arguably, yes - the trains alone will solve 80-90% of the capacity issues. The deal now is... can you solve the latter 10-20% by adding stanctions and removing minimal seats?

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Good ol' Kenneth - Canada Line's finally getting new trains, and immediately he complains that they're not as fancy as the Evergreen ones.

This is the same Kenneth that literally take material off our forum and advertises it as news stories! Not so surprised...

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

This is the same Kenneth that literally take material off our forum and advertises it as news stories! Not so surprised...

A lot of the info that winds up on this forum is newsworthy.

How do you think journalism works?

Also it is not as if projects and reports discussed on this forum are top secret for our eyes only, haha.

Such journalists are not our enemies, they are our allies (think about how many renders and how much material from Van City Buzz makes it onto this forum in reverse). It’s give and take.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Good ol' Kenneth - Canada Line's finally getting new trains, and immediately he complains that they're not as fancy as the Evergreen ones.

Upgraded AC is a big one IMO.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

A lot of the info that winds up on this forum is newsworthy.

How do you think journalism works?

Also it is not as if projects and reports discussed on this forum are top secret for our eyes only, haha.

Such journalists are not our enemies, they are our allies (think about how many renders and how much material from Van City Buzz makes it onto this forum in reverse). It’s give and take.

Some credit would be nice.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

(think about how many renders and how much material from Van City Buzz makes it onto this forum in reverse). It’s give and take.

Only because Global News is hidden behind a paywall.

I don't mind that they mine us for their clickbait; I do mind the implication that it makes them as credible as regular news sources.

[xd_1771]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Good ol' Kenneth - Canada Line's finally getting new trains, and immediately he complains that they're not as fancy as the Evergreen ones.

Well, you should see the kind of trains Hyundai Rotem is manufacturing for systems in Korea:
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The above is on the new Incheon Subway Line 2, and you can just see that the design is much brighter and overall nicer, with bigger windows, better lights, and a more modern feel especially as there are two information LCDs above each doorway (similar to Japanese systems). Also note the comfier seats, side-facing layout and consistent hand straps. Plus, as with most subway train cars in Japan and Korea, there are blower fans (in addition to the air conditioning system) that rotate to give you a burst of cooled air in the summer. That these trains were made by Rotem shows that they're capable of much more sophisticated interior design than what they're delivering to us in 2019.

As we think about the next generation of Expo and Millennium Line trains, there are still a number of amenities featured on other systems that we could incorporate to make for a really pleasant ride experience.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by xd_1771

Well, you should see the kind of trains Hyundai Rotem is manufacturing for systems in Korea...

...The above is on the new Incheon Subway Line 2, and you can just see that the design is much brighter and overall nicer, with bigger windows, better lights, and a more modern feel especially as there are two information LCDs above each doorway (similar to Japanese systems). Also note the comfier seats, side-facing layout and consistent hand straps. Plus, as with most subway train cars in Japan and Korea, there are blower fans (in addition to the air conditioning system) that rotate to give you a burst of cooled air in the summer. That these trains were made by Rotem shows that they're capable of much more sophisticated interior design than what they're delivering to us in 2019.

As we think about the next generation of Expo and Millennium Line trains, there are still a number of amenities featured on other systems that we could incorporate to make for a really pleasant ride experience.

Sure, and as soon as we have the budget to order and repair them (Singapore's LED displays alone fritz out pretty often), we should definitely want those.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

i dont see the need for LCDs on trains for maps. everyone has a smart phone.

just more stuff to break and use up budget.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i dont see the need for LCDs on trains for maps. everyone has a smart phone.

just more stuff to break and use up budget.

First of all, not everyone has a smartphone, not to mention maybe your traveling, forgot your phone, low battery, don’t use transit often so don’t know how or want to bother downloading any specific app, etc...

I have a smart phone, yet believe it or not such displays are still very helpful especially when riding an unfamiliar transit system.

With that attitude why have any way finding? Just remove all maps and voice announcement from the entire system. You have a smartphone don’t you? Figure it out!

Also such displays show more than just basic line maps. They also show station layouts and guide transfer connections on the systems I have been on.

[scryer]

Personally I am just happy that the trains are continuing to be introduced into service. I think that the additional supply will help the desperate state of congestion that the Canada line is in.

Question for the folks on here that are familiar with Canada Line's capacities: Can we add more trains when it becomes congested again in the next 2 years? I understand that we can increase the PPHPD significantly from here... but I just don't know how?

[TransitJack]

I think the current expansion of trains can get the service to a maximum of 2 min headway on the main branch with spare trains to allow for maintenance. You're not going to get any better than that without a tail track at WFS and with the single tracking at Brighouse and YVR.

Keep in mind they aren't going to go directly to 2 min headways. I'd expect 2'40" - 2'30" to start and ramp up over the next few years.

Once the 2 min hits there might be a bit more wiggle room but essentially you're looking at platform expansion and longer trains.

Train 121 is in service (as we know) and 122, 23, 24 have arrived and being final assembly and testing underway.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

i dont see the need for LCDs on trains for maps. everyone has a smart phone.

Looking for a job at Blizzard, by any chance?

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by TransitJack

I think the current expansion of trains can get the service to a maximum of 2 min headway on the main branch with spare trains to allow for maintenance. You're not going to get any better than that without a tail track at WFS and with the single tracking at Brighouse and YVR.

The "X" crossover at Waterfront lets you route trains to alternate platforms and gives you essentially the same capacity as a tail track, although it takes four times as much switch usage which means it's more expensive in maintenance terms.

The single tracking on the two ends of the "Y" isn't as big a problem as it looks because each end only gets half the frequency of the common part of the line. You can get down to around 3 minute turnaround on each of those legs, which means 90 seconds on the common section. It's true that it would leave precious little room for delays, but if trains start getting behind schedule you could short-turn one or two of them to recover.

[Mac Write]

My understanding is that WFS will have Richmond east platform and YVR trains on the west platform. That allows for one train to always be at the station. one leaves and then one arrives. Or one arrives then one leaves.

[whatnext]

Union vows to escalate Metro Vancouver transit-system job action if progress not made
TransLink CEO Kevin Desmond urges both sides to resume bargaining
By Glen Korstrom | November 5, 2019, 4:54pm

What happened: The union representing bus drivers and maintenance workers vowed November 5 to escalate job action on Metro Vancouver’s transit system “in the coming weeks” if progress is not made.

Why this matters: An escalation up to a full stoppage of transit buses and the SeaBus system will be a major disruption in the region's economy as workers could scramble to get to work.

Union Unifor's promised escalation has so far had no effect in winning concessions. TransLink’s Coast Mountain Bus Co. (CMBC) is keen to bargain a new contract but Unifor has said that the two sides are too far apart for bargaining to take place and it wants more concessions first...

https://biv.com/article/2019/11/union-th...ransit-system-job-action-if-progress-not