601 Beach Crescent | 202m | 67fl | Proposed - Page 10

LeftCoaster · #**181** Posted **Mar 15, 2019, 11:37 PM**

UDP recommendations frequently want to change the proportions of the tower and push it taller, but their recommendations cannot override City policy. I don't love this tower but I can see why it was approved and why the UDP recommended what they did.

VanCan604 · #**182** Posted **Apr 21, 2019, 6:14 PM**

Urban Design Panel (UDP) minutes finally online for 601 Beach Crescent.

February 20, 2019 Minutes PDF:

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/udpminutes02202019.pdf

Located here:
https://vancouver.ca/your-government/urban-design-panel.aspx

Vin · #**183** Posted **Apr 22, 2019, 5:31 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feathered Friend

More at : https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2019/03/14...r-gateway-tower-taller-is-simply-better/

I think to improve this tower more, they can tweak it such that the balconies don't look so obvious. One way is to put movable/slide-able glass panels over them, or continue those random cubes found at the podium all the way up, essentially breaking up the intrusive balconies. Best would be to eradicate most of the balconies and increase the floor spaces, but then again people love their sun-tanning spaces.

SpongeG · #**184** Posted **Apr 22, 2019, 8:21 PM**

sun tanning places LOL more like the space to store their rubbermaid bins and dead plants

fredinno · #**185** Posted **Apr 23, 2019, 7:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

I think to improve this tower more, they can tweak it such that the balconies don't look so obvious. One way is to put movable/slide-able glass panels over them, or continue those random cubes found at the podium all the way up, essentially breaking up the intrusive balconies. Best would be to eradicate most of the balconies and increase the floor spaces, but then again people love their sun-tanning spaces.

You can't without a rezoning. The best a developer is going to change a balcony to is a heated balcony or solarium...

Vin · #**186** Posted **Apr 23, 2019, 8:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

sun tanning places LOL more like the space to store their rubbermaid bins and dead plants

That's so true: sun tanning space for their dead plants and rubbermaid.

Good thing our Strata wouldn't allow that.

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Originally Posted by fredinno

You can't without a rezoning. The best a developer is going to change a balcony to is a heated balcony or solarium...

Unnecessary red-tape: that's a real problem hindering creativity. But in this case, it's not too late for developer/arch to change the design, especially if UDP force them to.

fredinno · #**187** Posted **Apr 26, 2019, 8:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

That's so true: sun tanning space for their dead plants and rubbermaid.

Good thing our Strata wouldn't allow that.

Unnecessary red-tape: that's a real problem hindering creativity. But in this case, it's not too late for developer/arch to change the design, especially if UDP force them to.

Why would they though? Vancouver did nothing about roofs being considered part of FSR until it was a factor in the leaky condo crisis. (Porches also provide shade for the condo inside if designed as a sun shield.) The UDP doesn't care about balconies, and if they did, the tower would just end up skinnier. Adding more FSR would effectively send this project back to the drawing board by necessity, since it wasn't designed for that, and the butterfly effect of doing so would have to be compensated.

Those porches aren't exactly huge to begin with. Have you seen Concord Brentwood? That's one development that needs to have solariums instead.

fredinno · #**188** Posted **Apr 26, 2019, 8:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

That's so true: sun tanning space for their dead plants and rubbermaid.

Good thing our Strata wouldn't allow that.

Unnecessary red-tape: that's a real problem hindering creativity. But in this case, it's not too late for developer/arch to change the design, especially if UDP force them to.

Why would they though? Vancouver did nothing about roofs being considered part of FSR until it was a factor in the leaky condo crisis. (Porches also provide shade for the condo inside if designed as a sun shield.) The UDP doesn't care about balconies, and if they did, the tower would just end up skinnier. Adding more FSR would effectively send this project back to the drawing board by necessity, since it wasn't designed for that, and the butterfly effect of doing so would have to be compensated.

The UDP also cannot change Vancouver's laws regarding FSR and the such on the whim. Hence, in the few cases they actually WANT to add extra stories (to improve massing, usually), they can't. Same applies to FSR.

Those porches aren't exactly huge to begin with. Have you seen Concord Brentwood? That's one development that needs to have solariums instead.

LeftCoaster · #**189** Posted **Apr 26, 2019, 7:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

But in this case, it's not too late for developer/arch to change the design, especially if UDP force them to.

This passed the UDP already, so in this case it does seem too late for the UDP to force them to.

There is a small chance it goes back to UDP for the DP, but that is not common so I doubt the UDP will have another crack at this one in its current form.

fredinno · #**190** Posted **Apr 28, 2019, 6:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

This passed the UDP already, so in this case it does seem too late for the UDP to force them to.

There is a small chance it goes back to UDP for the DP, but that is not common so I doubt the UDP will have another crack at this one in its current form.

What's a DP?

excel · #**191** Posted **Apr 28, 2019, 7:26 PM**

^Development Permit.

fredinno · #**192** Posted **Apr 29, 2019, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by excel

^Development Permit.

Ok, thanks.

Vin · #**193** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 8:08 PM**

Just a little update here: received this in the mail today.

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/601beach/index.htm

Someone can post the new renderings as there are quite a number of them. The podium design actually looks really good.

Podium is now reduced to 6-storeys and set back further from Beach Crescent due to shadowing issues.

Thank God they didn't chop down the tower height. I love how the tower will not have any protruding balonies, making it look sleeker.

Renderings:
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/601beach/documents/601BeachCres-Renderings.pdf

osirisboy · #**194** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 8:21 PM**

Nope. Don't like them reducing podium height and increasing setback!

Vin · #**195** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 8:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

Nope. Don't like them reducing podium height and increasing setback!

I know that's your pet-peeve. Well, wait till they plant trees on the sidewalk I think you'll blow up.

To be fair, maybe others don't like it, but I think they did a good job with the podium design though.

osirisboy · #**196** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 8:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

I know that's your pet-peeve. Well, wait till they plant trees on the sidewalk I think you'll blow up.

To be fair, maybe others don't like it, but I think they did a good job with the podium design though.

Lol. Yes and add a bunch of grass and it'll check off everything on my list!

And I agree it looks good. Again a lot will depend on the materials.

whatnext · #**197** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 9:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

Just a little update here: received this in the mail today.

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/601beach/index.htm

Someone can post the new renderings as there are quite a number of them. The podium design actually looks really good.

Podium is now reduced to 6-storeys and set back further from Beach Crescent due to shadowing issues.

Thank God they didn't chop down the tower height. I love how the tower will not have any protruding balonies, making it look sleeker.

Renderings:
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/601beach/documents/601BeachCres-Renderings.pdf

But..is there a mall?

LeftCoaster · #**198** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 10:03 PM**

It's actually grown, from 163m to 171.6m.

Most importantly the facade has been further refined, with a new scaled approach. you can sort of see it in the renders but if you look at the elevations it is quite clear parts of the curtain wall will scale from the floor below. Great improvement over the envelope shown previously.

Vin · #**199** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

It's actually grown, from 163m to 171.6m.

Most importantly the facade has been further refined, with a new scaled approach. you can sort of see it in the renders but if you look at the elevations it is quite clear parts of the curtain wall will scale from the floor below. Great improvement over the envelope shown previously.

Altogether, great news. Agreed on facade refinement.

Vin · #**200** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

But..is there a mall?

It's tall and quite well designed, with ample retail space, and that's good enough for me on this one. The mall can go somewhere else, nearby.