YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by casper

The other factor is AT is removing older A310 from the fleet and replacing them with these new extended range A321 aircraft. I don't think these extended A321 can make it from Vancouver to Europe. Fewer longer range aircraft in the fleet means cuts somewhere.

The A310s can’t make it from mainland europe to YVR with a meaningful payload either. Hence why you rarely (if ever) saw them on YVR-Europe runs.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I think YVR may be positioned better to server secondary hubs better, like Munich, Berlin, Stockholm, Warsaw... maybe Brussels? How about a direct YVR-LIS flight? Those are destinations perfectly suited to the 787 and not really doable from YYC.

Yes, theoretically. But those are slim pickings from YVR also. Stockholm isn’t even served from YYZ. SAS doesn’t serve Canada. They used to serve YMX in the past, though. You’ll see YUL or YWG-Warsaw (yes, Winnipeg !) before YVR-Warsaw. As for TXL, North American carriers notoriously struggle with Berlin, and from the east coast at that. Forget about a west coast-Berlin flight ! Can't see a YVR-BRU flight either. Most of the demand from Canada to Belgium is from the east coast. Which is why Brussels airlines didn't launch YVR or YYC and chose to double up with AC on YUL-BRU instead.

BCN or FCO are probably next for YVR. I think I've said that before. TS has tried YVR-FCO before, it didn't work. It might with an AC dreamliner on a summer seasonal basis. Not in the short to medium term though.

[nname]

Originally Posted by casper

The other factor is AT is removing older A310 from the fleet and replacing them with these new extended range A321 aircraft. I don't think these extended A321 can make it from Vancouver to Europe. Fewer longer range aircraft in the fleet means cuts somewhere.

A321LR can barely make it to DUB or OSL from YVR, but A321XLR would have no issue reaching CDG and maybe even LIS and WAW.

Both AC and TS did show interest with XLR, but neither had ordered any so far.

[nname]

Flair's Spring schedule so far... until Jun 15, 2020

F8138	x23	0930 YVR - YEG 1200
F8138	23	1200 YVR - YEG 1430

F8139	x23	1300 YEG - YVR 1335
F8139	23	1030 YEG - YVR 1105

F8223	x2	0630 YYZ - YVR 0840
F8711	x36	1755 YYZ - YVR 2010

F8224	1347	0930 YVR - YYZ 1700
F8224	5	0725 YVR - YYZ 1455
F8224	6	1430 YVR - YYZ 2200
F8712	x36	2300 YVR - YYZ 0630

F8295	147	2045 YYC - YVR 2115
F8295	5	1900 YYC - YVR 1930
F8295	6	1115 YYC - YVR 1145
F8814	23	1045 YYC - YVR 1115
F8826	47	0800 YYC - YVR 0830

F8296	1457	1430 YVR - YYC 1655
F8296	6	1245 YVR - YYC 1510
F8813	23	1215 YVR - YYC 1440
F8825	15	2115 YVR - YYC 2340

Obviously not finished yet (there're more YYC-YVR than YVR-YYC). But as of now, the routes are pretty much the same as W19, just with higher frequency. Note flight 712 is the first and only schedule red-eye flight for F8 so far.

As of now, YVR would be the 4th largest base for F8 with 54 weekly departures+arrivals. This is behind YYZ (78), YYC (65), and YEG (58).

[EDIT] As of this morning, Monday flight 826 changed to a 825, so now inbound and outbound matches.

[Johnny Aussie]

Westjet is increasing YVR-LGW to a daily 789 next summer. That's an increase of about 668 departing seats per week.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Westjet is increasing YVR-LGW to a daily 789 next summer. That's an increase of about 668 departing seats per week.

Ok so we gained back some YVR LON then good.

[SFUVancouver]

Not only gaining back some capacity to London, but on a Canadian airline, so the economic benefits that will accrue are proportionately greater. That's not nothing, especially with recession fears looming and Westjet's fortunes being impacted by the deplorable 737Max situation.

[SpongeG]

from their facebook:

Vancouver International Airport
3 hrs ·
Safety is our #1 core value at YVR, that's why we're investing $150 million into building 300m Runway End Safety Areas (RESA) - double the proposed Canadian safety standards. The South Runway is already complete and the North Runway will be finished by Fall 2021.

[SpongeG]

Joe & the juice is open now, they have quite a large seating area

2019-10-27_09-24-06 by snub_you, on Flickr

the seating extends to the windows
2019-10-27_09-24-12 by snub_you, on Flickr

the new hudson
2019-10-27_09-24-17 by snub_you, on Flickr

Pacific Farms Market is replacing that cafe Brioche, I think that is what it was called

2019-10-27_09-24-25 by snub_you, on Flickr

2019-10-27_09-24-30 by snub_you, on Flickr

[connect2source]

Great pics and updates SpongeG thanks tons! The improved food offerings at YVR can't come soon enough! Joe & The Juice is a staple at most European airports and one of my favs, now all we need is Pret A Manger!

[SpongeG]

I found it interesting that Joe & The Juice plays fairly loud music, you never hear much of anything at YVR

[Klazu]

Has anyone been recently flying on any those late-night Asia flights? I am flying to Kuala Lumpur with EVA Air via Taipei this week and the flight is the second last to depart at just before 2am. This late in the night, is there anything open at the airport and will check-in desks and security close earlier than normally?

There are also flights with China Airlines and Cathay Pacific depart around the same time, so there should be hundreds of people in the international terminal but otherwise I expect the airport to be dead.

Years ago I flew on the second last flight of the night out of Incheon Internal Airport and I was shocked what a ghost town one of the busiest airports in the world becomes for few hours in the middle of the night. It was really hard to find any services as everything was closed.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Not only gaining back some capacity to London, but on a Canadian airline, so the economic benefits that will accrue are proportionately greater. That's not nothing, especially with recession fears looming and Westjet's fortunes being impacted by the deplorable 737Max situation.

Sure, but it's westjet so the pilots will definitely be based out of Toronto or Calgary, not Vancouver, so the economic benefits will be accruing elsewhere. At least Transat based their A330 pilots here.

Originally Posted by Klazu

Has anyone been recently flying on any those late-night Asia flights? I am flying to Kuala Lumpur with EVA Air via Taipei this week and the flight is the second last to depart at just before 2am. This late in the night, is there anything open at the airport and will check-in desks and security close earlier than normally?

There are also flights with China Airlines and Cathay Pacific depart around the same time, so there should be hundreds of people in the international terminal but otherwise I expect the airport to be dead.

Years ago I flew on the second last flight of the night out of Incheon Internal Airport and I was shocked what a ghost town one of the busiest airports in the world becomes for few hours in the middle of the night. It was really hard to find any services as everything was closed.

Ya I've taken more than my fair share, the terminal is busy but services are bare bones. Don't rely on anything beyond Hudson News and a few other food court tenants being open. Also Nexus lanes are closed and security can get pretty busy, so don't rely on being able to jump the queue if you usually do.

[casper]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Sure, but it's westjet so the pilots will definitely be based out of Toronto or Calgary, not Vancouver, so the economic benefits will be accruing elsewhere. At least Transat based their A330 pilots here.

I would not read to much into where the pilots and flight attendants are based from. Many of them chose to live in a different city than there base and they "jump seat" from home to their "base". No shortage of WestJet and AC pilots who live on Vancouver Island or Vancouver and are officially based in Calgary.

They are buying provisioning the aircraft, buying fuel etc. locally.

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Ya I've taken more than my fair share, the terminal is busy but services are bare bones. Don't rely on anything beyond Hudson News and a few other food court tenants being open. Also Nexus lanes are closed and security can get pretty busy, so don't rely on being able to jump the queue if you usually do.

I have arrived off late flight around midnight a number of times and rarely departed at that time. The arrivals area is busy though quite a bit slower than during the morning and mid-day peek. The departure area is as you say.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Ya I've taken more than my fair share, the terminal is busy but services are bare bones. Don't rely on anything beyond Hudson News and a few other food court tenants being open. Also Nexus lanes are closed and security can get pretty busy, so don't rely on being able to jump the queue if you usually do.

Thanks! That's what I was also expecting to be the case.

I am quite surprised YVR has 2am flights. They must depart over the ocean to reduce noise to neighboring residents, especially since those late-night flights are on some big planes.

[Nites]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Has anyone been recently flying on any those late-night Asia flights? I am flying to Kuala Lumpur with EVA Air via Taipei this week and the flight is the second last to depart at just before 2am. This late in the night, is there anything open at the airport and will check-in desks and security close earlier than normally?

There are also flights with China Airlines and Cathay Pacific depart around the same time, so there should be hundreds of people in the international terminal but otherwise I expect the airport to be dead.

Years ago I flew on the second last flight of the night out of Incheon Internal Airport and I was shocked what a ghost town one of the busiest airports in the world becomes for few hours in the middle of the night. It was really hard to find any services as everything was closed.

I flew to JFK on Cathay back in 2005 and that place was packed considering it was midnight. Also, had a few late flights from YVR to the UK and YVR was always dead silent from what I remember. By the way Starbucks, Timmys, and Wendys is always open 24/7 at international terminal. I think everything else is closed by 10pm.

[Klazu]

Interesting that they are 24/7 considering that there are no flights between 2am and 6am. Maybe not worth it to close for just four hours?

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

From their Facebook: "Safety is our #1 core value at YVR, that's why we're investing $150 million into building 300m Runway End Safety Areas (RESA) - double the proposed Canadian safety standards. The South Runway is already complete and the North Runway will be finished by Fall 2021."

That 150 million dollars better buy something more than just 300 meters of runway. That's otherwise an insane cost!

[connect2source]

The 150M is for the 300m RESA on both the North and South runways, so about 75M each.

[osirisboy]

The concrete looks cracked