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Originally Posted by Vin
(1) On the contrary, I used to work there for four years, and still think there isn't a need for a 10-lane road...
... With that in mind, we therefore need to go tall along West Broadway because we know how those Nimbys are like at Fairview slopes and Shaughnessey: they will cry foul with anything even close to 20 storeys along their streets. However, once we get the really tall ones built along the arterial, and the world still doesn't collapse around them, they may change their mind. I think we can all agree to that.
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Cool. Understand that things have changed.
Eight lanes were already considered
in the Seventies freeway plan, and that number would be even higher today. Six lanes would not cut it with highrises and without a SkyTrain.
Not everything has to be 20 floors. A universal 5-10 floors works for the Slopes just fine, balanced out with 15-30 on Broadway proper and 5-10 down to W12th.
And Shaughnessy isn't part of the plan, nor does it have to be. Once we build out Broadway, Cambie et al, there'll be housing space. It'll take time for the growing population to fill that space - time that the reactionaries don't have. Then we can start the conversation about densifying south of 12th.
Rome wasn't built in a day; Vancouver doesn't have to be either.
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Originally Posted by Vin
(2) However, we all know very well that rezoning to go higher usually doesn't happen beyond the major Arterial in Vancouver. It has always been like that everywhere in Vancouver in the recent decades. However, Richmond, Burnaby, Surrey, Coquitlam, etc allow upzoning beyond the major roads to they go multiple blocks.
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Again, Cambie Corridor Phase 3. 6-10 storeys in a 500m radius around the hubs, apartments on the arterials, townhouses all the way to Oak and Ontario. For all the talk of the suburbs, they're still almost 90% SFH, warehouses and strip malls.
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Originally Posted by Vin
It isn't unusual to see a 35-storey tower beside a single family home there. This will never ever happen in Vancouver. In the end, there won't be a lot of changes along West Broadway because developers are just simply not interested to build a 20-storey structure on Broadway when they can go 40 or even 50 elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Vin
Lots of changes? Hmm, if you look at West Broadway 20 years ago: it looks about the same as it is today. I think that's how that "works". Why would developers want to even build a 60-storey building in Gilmore near Brentwood, or near Metropolis at Metrotown, or New West waterfront, or even in Surrey Central when they can gain more by building a 60-storey tower right next to downtown Vancouver along Broadway: the second biggest employment centre after downtown? Answer is because they can't and are not allowed to!
By your own words, seems that these owners never bother doing anything for over 20+ years. That's not "lots of changes and interest".
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Guess what Burnaby and Surrey have and Broadway doesn't? SkyTrain stations! Broadway + skyscrapers + no rapid transit = demand for
twelve lanes.
35-storey towers next to SFHs is almost unanimously thought of as 🞵🞵🞵🞵 planning. What Corrigan and Surrey First should've done is a few blocks of highrises around the hubs, then slope down to townhouses 1km out; instead, they got greedy for condo money, and lost their seats as a result. Instead, Metrotown, Brentwood and other town centre clusters only extend to a 500m radius around a SkyTrain station... after which, the "cityscape" becomes the same old infill as the rest of the suburbs. I don't see you bemoaning the lack of megatowers around BCIT or Burnaby Lake.
OTOH Central Broadway and South Granville are full of recent 10-15 storey projects despite nothing but buses for decades. Once again, you're confusing silence for inactivity; the developers know that there's plenty of change (but under 20 floors, so you probably can't see it), and potential for even more change. Just need a subway and a plan.
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