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[acottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

From my perspective, crossing the Trillium across the PoW and terminating at Zibi (where they can walk to Terraces/Portage or bus to Portage) saves capacity and transfers for those coming for the south. Otherwise, you'll get up to 200 people transferring onto a packed train every 12 minutes just to transfer one station later. So PoW is mostly for Ottawa passengers heading to Gatineau, or Gatineau to Tunney's and not Gatineau to downtown Ottawa, as they would get the Portage and/or Alexandra link.

You think 200 people on each O-Train are headed to Gatineau?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by acottawa

You think 200 people on each O-Train are headed to Gatineau?

No, transferring from Trillium to Confederation headed downtown should Trillium not cross over. I would estimate maybe 50-65 would stay on the train to Gatineau should they have that option.

In Gatineau, Trillium might pick-up 30-40 people heading to Confederation Heights or Tunney's.

[lrt's friend]

My comment about Bayview reflects the reality that we can only realistically afford one interprovincial link when each one will cost several hundred million. There seems to be the assumption that we will magically have crossings at POW, Portage and the Interprovincial bridges. That may come some day but we are talking about several decades from today. We have to prioritize a crossing and it needs to be at the most useful location which is at Portage.

[lrt's friend]

The issue with door holding relates to the fact that the UOttawa stop is at the busiest C-Line section coming from the east. If trains are to be crush loaded as Manconi suggests, how do people get themselves off the train in the allotted time? One of the comments posted yesterday was on this very issue, that the doors closed before all the passengers exited the train at UOttawa station. How is this to be addressed?

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Anyway there are two serious flaws in our system that I feel, which is Tunney's and the bus loop at Hurdman which is not temporary. Tunney's can't be fixed and we'll just have to live with it, but they still have a chance to correct their Moodie mistake and put in a centre platform before construction begins in earnest out there.

The Hurdman bus loop needs some actual shelter, they could use the elevated track as a structure to build a real bus terminal more along the lines of what Toronto has, as it's a permanent feature unlike Blair and Tunney's yet has the same temporary feel.

Edit: the other flaw was that the #ReallyBigServiceChange was really a mask for a #ReallyBigServiceCut. I don't the routing is the problem, it's the major reduction in frequencies across the entire bus network, like the 39 in Orleans only running every 30 minutes off peak, or increases upwards of other routes to the "frequent" 15 minute standard

Service to/from Hull is now every 30 minutes outside peak with the 15. Used to be every 15 minutes with the 44. That's a service cut, plain and simple.

[CityTech]

I don't get why a train stuck at uOttawa would shut down the whole system. They should be able to use the crossovers to run trains Blair-Hurdman and Parliament-Tunneys.

[CityTech]

Originally Posted by Capital Shaun

Service to/from Hull is now every 30 minutes outside peak with the 15. Used to be every 15 minutes with the 44. That's a service cut, plain and simple.

The 85 also goes to Hull off peak.

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by CityTech

The 85 also goes to Hull off peak.

Only to Terrace.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

No, transferring from Trillium to Confederation headed downtown should Trillium not cross over. I would estimate maybe 50-65 would stay on the train to Gatineau should they have that option.

In Gatineau, Trillium might pick-up 30-40 people heading to Confederation Heights or Tunney's.

I haven't seen any origin/destination studies for the Trillium Line, but I am somewhat doubtful that around 20-25 percent of Trillium passengers are headed to Quebec. Unless there were some reason why Quebec-working employees are more likely to live along the Trillium Line, then there would be massively more people piling onto Quebec bound buses throughout the system during the morning rush hour, which we do not see. But even if that were the case, a single bus with 10-15 minute service would pretty easily absorb that demand.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

From my perspective, crossing the Trillium across the PoW and terminating at Zibi (where they can walk to Terraces/Portage or bus to Portage) saves capacity and transfers for those coming for the south. Otherwise, you'll get up to 200 people transferring onto a packed train every 12 minutes just to transfer one station later. So PoW is mostly for Ottawa passengers heading to Gatineau, or Gatineau to Tunney's and not Gatineau to downtown Ottawa, as they would get the Portage and/or Alexandra link.

I agree with this but that is not the point that Lrt's Friend was making.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by Capital Shaun

Service to/from Hull is now every 30 minutes outside peak with the 15. Used to be every 15 minutes with the 44. That's a service cut, plain and simple.

The 44 was barely used off peak thats why the 85 only goes to to Terrace and no its still every 15 min everyday with route 400 if you are willing to walk. Hell even the 85 is every 15 min on sundays compared to 30 min with the 44 which sounds to me a service increase and not a cut like you claim it is.

[Acajack]

STO buses at the moment drop people off near Lyon and then continue towards Rideau.

So people going further east in the CBD simply stay on the bus.

In a future scenario where STO has a rail link to Lyon and that's it, I suppose that most people going to the central-western part of Ottawa CBD will walk to their destination from Lyon. Basically anywhere west of the Rideau Canal.

Those bound for Rideau and the university will likely transfer to the Confederation Line at Lyon.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I haven't seen any origin/destination studies for the Trillium Line, but I am somewhat doubtful that around 20-25 percent of Trillium passengers are headed to Quebec. Unless there were some reason why Quebec-working employees are more likely to live along the Trillium Line, then there would be massively more people piling onto Quebec bound buses throughout the system during the morning rush hour, which we do not see. But even if that were the case, a single bus with 10-15 minute service would pretty easily absorb that demand.

I also haven't seen such a study, but it seems pretty important to do before we rule out the PoW.

My guesstimate was based on the fact that roughly 25% of the Federal jobs are in Gatineau. Hull represents around that same proportion of jobs downtown.

I imagine that at the moment, most people working in Gatineau likely drive because the transit service is terrible and because parking is much cheaper in Hull. Having Trillium cross might encourage more users from the south and west to take transit.

Watson quotes additional "studies" or "staff reports" as the reason for dumping PoW, but it I've only ever seen STO's reports saying that Bayview can't handle an STO line. Nothing about OC crossing.

Under Watson, all has been done to try and sabotage any chance of interlining Trillium with Confederation OR crossing the PoW, OR even a proper terminus station for that matter. No surprise he decided on his own to cancel the PoW transit option to save more money for suburban Ottawa.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Acajack

STO buses at the moment drop people off near Lyon and then continue towards Rideau.

So people going further east in the CBD simply stay on the bus.

In a future scenario where STO has a rail link to Lyon and that's it, I suppose that most people going to the central-western part of Ottawa CBD will walk to their destination from Lyon. Basically anywhere west of the Rideau Canal.

Those bound for Rideau and the university will likely transfer to the Confederation Line at Lyon.

If the STO is the only agency crossing, I would hope for the implementation of a loop. If the Feds are serious about climate change and McKenna serious about making Ottawa the "greenest" capital, they will invest in this long discussed rail loop.

[le calmar]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I imagine that at the moment, most people working in Gatineau likely drive because the transit service is terrible and because parking is much cheaper in Hull.

Is it though? I heard that parking passes at the Terrasses de la Chaudière cost around 200$ a month.

[Capital Shaun]

Originally Posted by OtrainUser

The 44 was barely used off peak thats why the 85 only goes to to Terrace and no its still every 15 min everyday with route 400 if you are willing to walk. Hell even the 85 is every 15 min on sundays compared to 30 min with the 44 which sounds to me a service increase and not a cut like you claim it is.

It depends from where in Hull one is going/coming from. Service is up at Terrace (no use to me) but down every else. But okay, I'm wrong somehow.

I'm only an occasional user, mostly in winter. If STO accepted single fare payment with Presto, this wouldn't be an issue.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

If the STO is the only agency crossing, I would hope for the implementation of a loop. If the Feds are serious about climate change and McKenna serious about making Ottawa the "greenest" capital, they will invest in this long discussed rail loop.

Hear Hear! This is what I suggested a couple of years ago. The loop could connect into STO LRT plans providing both excellent STO service to downtown Ottawa and connect all the offices, tourist attractions, and entertainment disctricts on both sides of the river. The key is federal funding, because as I said, at best, we can only afford one cross river connection with minimal coverage in Ottawa without special funding.

[OtrainUser]

Originally Posted by le calmar

Is it though? I heard that parking passes at the Terrasses de la Chaudière cost around 200$ a month.

Yep you are correct parking passes are 200$ a month there.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Capital Shaun

Service to/from Hull is now every 30 minutes outside peak with the 15. Used to be every 15 minutes with the 44. That's a service cut, plain and simple.

I thought the idea was that most of the Hull service would be provided by STO. That is why STO is supposed to funnel all their service to Lyon, so there will be frequent service in one place.

Unfortunately, STO hasn't implemented their new downtown Ottawa route network yet.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by CityTech

I don't get why a train stuck at uOttawa would shut down the whole system. They should be able to use the crossovers to run trains Blair-Hurdman and Parliament-Tunneys.

The problem is the crossover is on the wrong side of Hurdman and you're single track all the way from Tremblay to the tunnel which is a long distance with some of the heaviest usage.

Apparently trains were running in single track mode, but at the height of rush hour especially with the as mentioned dumb side platforms at Tunney's it's just a disaster.

Not the first nor the last we'll see, but pretty much business as normal for OC Transpo which has never been reliable