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Old Posted Oct 1, 2019, 2:11 PM
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One of the points made in the article is that the stations built next to the Queensway are not ideal for TOD because the locations are less desirable. TOD may come eventually but may take some time to take place. In this respect, the stations west of downtown will have much more potential until we reach Lincoln Fields. Beyond that, we see the same problems as east of downtown.
I think we're still going to see clusters of rental buildings by the hwy.

Certainly Lees already has that planned, then Eastway Gardens will eventually be redeveloped, St. Laurent/Cyrville has a bunch of commercial properties that could be redeveloped, Same with Iris, and then Bayshore has all the lowrise low income housing that will eventually be replaced with highrise low income housing.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2019, 3:27 PM
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I think we're still going to see clusters of rental buildings by the hwy.

Certainly Lees already has that planned, then Eastway Gardens will eventually be redeveloped, St. Laurent/Cyrville has a bunch of commercial properties that could be redeveloped, Same with Iris, and then Bayshore has all the lowrise low income housing that will eventually be replaced with highrise low income housing.
There is little incentive or desire by developers to satisfy the low income market as we are seeing now with the Trinity development at Bayview. There needs to be a good return on investment. The property is too valuable and where higher income housing is needed (whether rental or condo), highway locations are not going to attract enough customers. We will see, but TOD locations along the Queensway are going to be slow to be built in most cases. Access to transit is not the main reason for choosing housing especially for higher income people.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2019, 6:04 PM
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^ I dunno. The development at Blair is a pretty significant private sector housing investment. And they leased the whole building pretty fast and have immediately moved onto the second phase, a sign that the enterprise was profitable. The rental prices are certainly high enough that it qualifies as higher income housing. Being next to the highway isn't exactly a deterrent. In fact, I'd argue it's a plus--easier road access.

The federal government owns a sizeable site next to St. Laurent station that is intended for future offices. Given recent talk of the federal government using surplus land holdings to construct affordable housing, that could very well happen there, given that I don't think the federal government has much more interest in decentralized employment hubs given the disaster at Moodie.

Hurdman won't really see much development until the city builds the road network in the area including the bridge connecting Hospital Link Road to Lees Avenue, and given that would probably cost the city a sizeable sum it's probably not happening any time soon.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2019, 6:17 PM
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^ I dunno. The development at Blair is a pretty significant private sector housing investment. And they leased the whole building pretty fast and have immediately moved onto the second phase, a sign that the enterprise was profitable. The rental prices are certainly high enough that it qualifies as higher income housing. Being next to the highway isn't exactly a deterrent. In fact, I'd argue it's a plus--easier road access.

The federal government owns a sizeable site next to St. Laurent station that is intended for future offices. Given recent talk of the federal government using surplus land holdings to construct affordable housing, that could very well happen there, given that I don't think the federal government has much more interest in decentralized employment hubs given the disaster at Moodie.

Hurdman won't really see much development until the city builds the road network in the area including the bridge connecting Hospital Link Road to Lees Avenue, and given that would probably cost the city a sizeable sum it's probably not happening any time soon.
What is happening at the Nicholas interchange? They appear to be building a new overpass. What is the plan with this change?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2019, 10:05 PM
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What is happening at the Nicholas interchange? They appear to be building a new overpass. What is the plan with this change?
The province is replacing the Nicholas overpass completely and will demolish the existing one. This is to allow future widening of the highway.

https://queenswayexpansioneast.com/417-nicholas-underpass/
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2019, 10:44 PM
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Does anyone know whether the 417 eastbound on-ramp at Lees or the westbound 417/174 split to Orleans will reopen any time soon? Really hope that's the case once parallel bus service ends. It's painful trying to go eastbound from some areas...
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2019, 10:47 PM
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Does anyone know whether the 417 eastbound on-ramp at Lees or the westbound 417/174 split to Orleans will reopen any time soon? Really hope that's the case once parallel bus service ends. It's painful trying to go eastbound from some areas...
Regarding the 417/174 split: My understanding is that it's one of the first to re-open sometime after October 6. Though, no one actually knows what the actual date of re-opening will be. Councillor Tim Tierney has raised this countless times, on the public record, at the FEDCO meeting when staff provided those monthly updates on the Confederation Line.
     
     
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We will what next week brings. I think we will miss having virtual double capacity through the core though... we won't have that capacity again for a long time
I took the train at Lyon a couple times last week right at the start of Civil Service Rush Hour (3:30 p.m.)

There were a good 5-6 times as many people waiting for a bus at Albert/Kent than there were waiting on the westbound subway platform. It'll be interesting to see how things stand once that choice is taken away in four days.
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2019, 8:54 PM
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I took the train at Lyon a couple times last week right at the start of Civil Service Rush Hour (3:30 p.m.)

There were a good 5-6 times as many people waiting for a bus at Albert/Kent than there were waiting on the westbound subway platform. It'll be interesting to see how things stand once that choice is taken away in four days.
It would be interesting to carry this exact scenario forward to January 20th with a significant snowstorm underway. How many would be waiting for a 2+ hour delayed bus above ground rather than the train?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2019, 9:16 PM
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Noticed these VIA Rail ads in Toronto: they’ll have to update the Ottawa ones with a Line 1 reference, just like they mention connections with TTC and STM:





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Earlier I pointed out how confusing the headboards can be when they are above you on the platform. In Toronto, they are in front of you when on the platform, not behind you. So you can tell which direction you are travelling. I have no idea why they put they behind you.
Noticed this too - in Toronto they’re above the track as a bit of “reassurance” when you get to get to the platform that the train’s going the right way:



Those overhead beams would have been the obvious place to put these signs, so you see them as soon as you get to the platform, but they’re blank:



Ours are placed as if to be visible when you’re actually at the platform edge about to board:



Though there are direction signs on the track dividers:



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Only in Canada. My European blood can't get over this limitation. Every big train station across the world has train platforms that are accessible to everyone who wishes to greet or say bye to their loved ones as they board or get off the trains. Only in Canada do we block this behaviour by pretending train stations are airports, and in turn we remove one of the advantages and perks of train travel.
Creating a link from Tremblay through the VIA station to Terminal Av and Trainyards doesn’t require platform access, just concourse access. It's much narrower in Ottawa





than in Toronto (between the main hall and access to Scotiabank Arena):





or Winnipeg (between the main hall and the Museum of Human Rights):



where passage is open to the public, so security or paid access doesn't seem to be the driving factor. That said, I think the VIA station closes outside of schedule train arrivals/departures so you’d lose access in the off hours.

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Speaking of under-engineering stations, they really cheaped out at Tunney’s Pasture. The sidewalk between the north side of the building and the bus loop is already a tight squeeze and is made even worse by the doors opening outward. I can’t imagine automatic sliding doors adding that much to the $2 billion price tag.
Agreed, it is very narrow, especially with foot traffic both leaving and entering the station, and the one sign showing which platform to use being right at the door, which would increase crowding (at least at first) as new/infrequent users figure out where to go





Probably best just to remove the doors entirely as the station is open to the east and south anyway. They could also extend the sidewalk into the bus loop a few feet, the loop seems wider than it has to be.

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I'm not even going to get into the fact that OC Transpo had the gall to build platforms at the other side of the bus loop (SW corner of the station). Let's all hope those stops are never put in to service.
The sign on those far platforms says “Regional” - I assume those are for the commuter coach buses?

In general, continue to be satisfied overall: smooth, fast, a bit louder than expected but nothing like the buses at worst, a bit tighter for standing room than expected but again an improvement over the buses. Wayfinding hiccoughs as others have pointed out, but overall it’s clean, attractive and generally consistent. And so many excited kids aboard, with their parents riding - judging by the queues for tickets I assume most are not regular transit users, so perhaps their kids’ enthusiasm will rub off on them and gain some more commuter share for transit

Frustrations have more to do with cutbacks to my non-Line 1 commutes: my commute from Civic Hospital to Carling Campus almost doubles from 20 to 40 min plus transfers - that’s 2.5 hours more time commuting per week - no longer reliable for childcare pickups at end of day, so now need to drive.

As well, fellow passengers, e.g. standing on escalators. Every time I use one with my 2 year old I carry him and walk, teaching “Remember how we use an escalator, stand on the right, walk on the left”... just loud enough for the ones blocking the way to hear. Then the other day we were walking up and I was about to say “excuse me” to the blockers, and my boy yelled “STAND RIGHT!”. He gets it! Hopefully this behaviour will improve when the rush hits for real on the 6th.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2019, 10:39 PM
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It would be interesting to carry this exact scenario forward to January 20th with a significant snowstorm underway. How many would be waiting for a 2+ hour delayed bus above ground rather than the train?
We will just be moving the delay to Tunney's, Blair and Hurdman.
     
     
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I took the train at Lyon a couple times last week right at the start of Civil Service Rush Hour (3:30 p.m.)

There were a good 5-6 times as many people waiting for a bus at Albert/Kent than there were waiting on the westbound subway platform. It'll be interesting to see how things stand once that choice is taken away in four days.
Given that the train platform completely clears every time a train comes every 3 minutes or so, whereas the bus stop would be full of people who are waiting 10-15 minutes for a specific 200s bus... there may still have actually been more people taking the train that day.
     
     
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Frustrations have more to do with cutbacks to my non-Line 1 commutes: my commute from Civic Hospital to Carling Campus almost doubles from 20 to 40 min plus transfers - that’s 2.5 hours more time commuting per week - no longer reliable for childcare pickups at end of day, so now need to drive.
The city better hope that not too many fall into this category.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2019, 11:36 PM
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The city better hope that not too many fall into this category.
For this specific problem, you'd have to be someone who works at Moodie and lives very near Carling Avenue between Kirkwood and Bronson, or very near the Woodroffe interchange on the 417. Not exactly a common problem.
     
     
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We will just be moving the delay to Tunney's, Blair and Hurdman.
True, but if your wait is more than a couple minutes, you have the option of waiting in the shelter of the station and then walk to the stop a few minutes before the bus arrives. Given the unpredictability of the service on Albert and Slater streets makes that not an option there.

After Stage 2, the transfer stations will smaller (since they serve fewer routes) so it will be even easier to wait in the station.
     
     
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We will just be moving the delay to Tunney's, Blair and Hurdman.
But now there's a grade separated Transitway on each end... should be much easier to keep moving rather than everything bunching up and inching along on downtown streets... but we'll see ..
     
     
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We will just be moving the delay to Tunney's, Blair and Hurdman.
Patience is a virtue. This is only temporary. Are going to be saying the same thing when the LRT is extended to Moodie, Baseline ( and ultimately Barrhaven) and Moodie ( and ultimately Kanata and Stittsville). If we had started building LRT in the 1980's we wouldn't be in this situation, but we didn't so we are behind the 8 ball. In the grand scheme of things 5f or 6 years is only temporary. Your world is not going to end because the LRT ends at Tunney's and Blair.
     
     
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Hurdman won't really see much development until the city builds the road network in the area including the bridge connecting Hospital Link Road to Lees Avenue, and given that would probably cost the city a sizeable sum it's probably not happening any time soon.
I don't see why Hurdman development is dependent on the Nicholas extension.

A new underpass under the rail line was constructed just east of the station. With minimal modifications, Industrial Avenue could be extended through there to access a development site right along the river. I would think it would be a fairly attractive development location.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2019, 3:09 AM
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There is little incentive or desire by developers to satisfy the low income market as we are seeing now with the Trinity development at Bayview. There needs to be a good return on investment. The property is too valuable and where higher income housing is needed (whether rental or condo), highway locations are not going to attract enough customers. We will see, but TOD locations along the Queensway are going to be slow to be built in most cases. Access to transit is not the main reason for choosing housing especially for higher income people.
I disagree. Some higher income folks will certainly take up condo living near transit lines. You see that in other major cities.

We're only at the beginning of this wave. Ottawa didn't even have that many condos along the Rideau corridor when I got to Ottawa a decade and a bit ago. Now, they have condos all over the core. And those condos are getting the shoebox treatment you see elsewhere. This is what drives TOD outward, to places like Bayview, add people go looking for better condos but without sacrificing too much convenience. The same will happen in the East. And everywhere along the line after Stage 2.
     
     
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