The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 649

MalcolmTucker · #**12961** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 2:58 AM**

Since the Liberals have put in a 10 year fund and announced a bunch of the projects already, I expect very little.

lubicon · #**12962** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 6:14 PM**

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So, with the election called, which party will promise the most transit related things?

Does it even matter? Only two parties have a realistic shot at winning. And nothing seems to happen anyway even if funding announcements are made.

p_xavier · #**12963** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 6:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by lubicon

Does it even matter? Only two parties have a realistic shot at winning. And nothing seems to happen anyway even if funding announcements are made.

The Ontario Line for example is such project that the Cons might support and not the Libs.

Truenorth00 · #**12964** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 7:02 PM**

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The Ontario Line for example is such project that the Cons might support and not the Libs.

Why would the Liberals not support it? The original EA for the DRL was completed under a provincial Liberal government.

swimmer_spe · #**12965** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 7:14 PM**

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The Ontario Line for example is such project that the Cons might support and not the Libs.

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Why would the Liberals not support it? The original EA for the DRL was completed under a provincial Liberal government.

The Ontario line is one booth could support. But, I am thinking outside Toronto.

Places like Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton or Winnipeg, what could be offered there to sway voters?

Dengler Avenue · #**12966** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The Ontario line is one booth could support. But, I am thinking outside Toronto.

Places like Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton or Winnipeg, what could be offered there to sway voters?

Winnipeg: speeding up the transitway construction

Lol liberals just shouldn’t bother with Alberta. Conservatives & the rest? Speeding up LRT construction? Probably even offer to grade separate problematic sections that see a lot of crashes?

lubicon · #**12967** Posted **Sep 12, 2019, 9:55 PM**

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Winnipeg: speeding up the transitway construction

Lol liberals just shouldn’t bother with Alberta. Conservatives & the rest? Speeding up LRT construction? Probably even offer to grade separate problematic sections that see a lot of crashes?

many would argue that the Liberals have not bothered with Alberta for a very long time.

swimmer_spe · #**12968** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 12:06 AM**

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Winnipeg: speeding up the transitway construction

Lol liberals just shouldn’t bother with Alberta. Conservatives & the rest? Speeding up LRT construction? Probably even offer to grade separate problematic sections that see a lot of crashes?

If the Liberals promise to fund the CTrain and the ETS LRT extensions, they might win a seat or 2.

milomilo · #**12969** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 12:15 AM**

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many would argue that the Liberals have not bothered with Alberta for a very long time.

And have the Conservatives given Alberta much when they were in power? When we people blindly vote for one party no matter what, we shouldn't be surprised when neither party pays us any attention. The cons definitely have our vote, everybody else definitely doesn't, so neither party has anything to gain by giving anything to Alberta. The Liberals managed to get TMX underway (just), and what will their reward be? Probably getting wiped out. They would have been smarter not to bother.

swimmer_spe · #**12970** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 12:23 AM**

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And have the Conservatives given Alberta much when they were in power? When we people blindly vote for one party no matter what, we shouldn't be surprised when neither party pays us any attention. The cons definitely have our vote, everybody else definitely doesn't, so neither party has anything to gain by giving anything to Alberta. The Liberal's managed to get TMX underway (just), and what will their reward be? Probably getting wiped out. They would have been smarter not to bother.

It is just like locally for the few ridings in my city, a conservative is wasting their time running. We are either Liberal or NDP. Some areas are just polarized one way or the other. Some would say it is a safe seat.

Dengler Avenue · #**12971** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 1:27 AM**

Just keep in mind that this is a transit thread. Let’s not digress too much to politics.

MalcolmTucker · #**12972** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 1:36 AM**

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If the Liberals promise to fund the CTrain and the ETS LRT extensions, they might win a seat or 2.

Edmonton's is already promised by the Liberals: https://globalnews.ca/news/5043208/federal-provincial-government-funding-edmonton-lrt-valley-metro/

Calgary, the first phase funded in the last election, will probably be finished a tiny bit later than Edmonton's next projects.

Certainly, post-2026 can promise more, or top up the 2016-2026 bucket to fund a bit more in the interim, but as said, they've already announced all sorts of support for projects.

swimmer_spe · #**12973** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 2:51 AM**

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Just keep in mind that this is a transit thread. Let’s not digress too much to politics.

Transit is very political. I am just trying to show the relevance.

Dengler Avenue · #**12974** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 2:54 AM**

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Transit is very political. I am just trying to show the relevance.

That’s every public service though...

swimmer_spe · #**12975** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 3:01 AM**

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That’s every public service though...

True, but I am not asking about a specific party or leader. I am asking about the various cities that have transit needs and what could be offered or what is offered that would give one the edge.

MalcolmTucker · #**12976** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 3:12 AM**

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True, but I am not asking about a specific party or leader. I am asking about the various cities that have transit needs and what could be offered or what is offered that would give one the edge.

It would be very rare for a party to support anything that isn't on a muni's priority list, or make up their own ideas.

Giving the edge would be pretty boring. It would just be upping the contribution. The Liberals promised so much stuff they had to lower the matching requirement to 50% to get the money out the door!

milomilo · #**12977** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 3:25 AM**

The federal government just borrowing a ton of money and giving it to cities to spend on transit and other infrastructure is probably one of the very best things they could do.

blacktrojan3921 · #**12978** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 7:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by lubicon

many would argue that the Liberals have not bothered with Alberta for a very long time.

Kind of the same logic for conservatives and the Atlantic provinces and downtowns.

MalcolmTucker · #**12979** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 5:31 PM**

Scheer announced this morning that his government, instead of giving money to cities, that a Conservative government would give money to users by bringing back that tax credit, at a cost of $230 million a year to start, $300 million a year by 2028-2029.

https://www.conservative.ca/andrew-scheer-to-reduce-cost-of-public-transit/

wave46 · #**12980** Posted **Sep 13, 2019, 5:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Scheer announced this morning that his government, instead of giving money to cities, that a Conservative government would give money to users by bringing back that tax credit, at a cost of $230 million a year to start, $300 million a year by 2028-2029.

https://www.conservative.ca/andrew-scheer-to-reduce-cost-of-public-transit/

All these finicky tax credits bleed the budget and don't really help accomplish their goals.

Making transit the better option will increase ridership, especially in our largest cities.

People rarely do things for the tax credit.